I wonder how you live in the fog of this anger & untouchable outrage. All for a man who is flawed beyond belief.
Do you not see the difference just in tone & character.
Tr storming around like a petulant child?
Ready to subvert justice at every turn?
Tied into
@tommy_pane 2/ fanatasies of personal umbrage, while the nation burns.
When it is revealed in detail how he & his family have been profiting from the presidency is that going to make any difference?
Does it mean nothing to you that he has been subverting the constitution?
@tommy_pane 3/ You don't of course. For some reason you think what Tr is doing is just fine.
You don't think that he is subverting the will of the people at all.
Even though his "victory" of 2016 which he bellowed was "the greatest ever" (another lie, always a lie w Trump)
was less than
@tommy_pane 4/ what Biden won. The EC count is the same. But the differences that Trump won by, I think a total across a few states of about 70k, is far less in every state but GA, than any of his "glorious wins".
The hypocrisy is stunning.
Stunning beyond comprehension.. Except I
@tommy_pane 5/ do understand. There is a strange pall in this dark mind, ready to go to violence and war over this election.
It is not a matter of votes. it is a matter of being just out of phase with time and history. A few more years of this & there will be no need for a constitution.
@tommy_pane 6/ Chances are your side will win in the end. Not this election. That is so obviously done and over that only the most devoted are trying to maintain that fiction.
I wish you could see how you, and/or people like you are being used by Trump to cash in one last time.
But the
@tommy_pane 7/ problem is not this silly side show.
It is that the brownshirt phase of a take over, of the demise of democracy, is a fearful one and hard to resist.
It is coddled on the intellectual side, by well meaning people who think they can contain the force they think they are
@tommy_pane 8/ riding into power. Or in your case, going to break the grip of X on the power.. and restore it to some desired state somehow.. In your case I think it is some form of libertarianism. You think Trump is the man to break big gov, & get back to "liberty". (an ill defined term
@tommy_pane 9/ I have tried to get you to articulate, but you don't or won't, or cant...not sure which. I don't mean the basic words. But the next thing after the lofty pronouncements of Utopic ideals...But that is old territory).
@tommy_pane 10/ In short. You think you have an ally in Trump. That he is just the man to bring in this new great state of affairs.
All the while you are being used as the layers of his base.
Fodder for his power and enrichment.
In the end, if he were to actually get the power you want
@tommy_pane 11/ so desperatly for him to have, It would be quite clear what was what, and who was who.
Like the brownshirts of old, they became unnecessary after political power was consolidated. And the "intellectuals"...became even more subservient than the GOP Senate.
Yes, your side
@tommy_pane 12/ the Trump side, will probably win. It is the progression of things. The long historical pattern.
But with that victory goes all the core principles that presumably you assign to. Maybe not?
Rule of law.
no man above the law
distribution of power
etc...
@tommy_pane 13/ If you are unable to see how Trump functions with the people who are "the greatest people ever... the smartest.." and etc, whatever sticky praise he layers on them in the beginning...
But contradict him... and you are dogshit.
It is not just Trump of course. That is how that
@tommy_pane 14/ mindset is...how it functions.. It is not in service to people. It is in service to its power. First and last.
The people are pawns.
Even the ones closest to him that once were his enablers.
Tell me, or rather, tell yourself you can at least see that.
Make up some excuse
@tommy_pane 15/ why this is ok...but do not deceive yourself that it is not true.
Anyway... a ramble of sorts. I didn’t start out to go through all that. Treat these as Pensées of sorts.
Do w it what you will.
Your side will "win" because it is easier to destroy than to create. The
@tommy_pane 16/ It is easier for a despot to rally the country with stirring rhetoric, in this case "to make America great again" while dismantling everything that makes the country great.
We are far worse off than before, by almost every measure.
Internationally for sure. But just
@tommy_pane 17/ the basic incompetence of how COVID has been handled I would have thought would make a dent in your devotion.
But no. Nothing does and nothing can.
So, again, treat these as topic points if you care to think upon them. Or nonsense if you do not.
@tommy_pane 18/ When/if you "win" it will not be pretty.
It will be a dark time similar in pattern to the dark times we have endured following these pathways, but will be more modern, far more capable.
Regardless, your utopia of a libertarian heaven on earth, will not be part of the win.
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Irrational anger & outrage which is easily manipulated, as we see being done, into tribal affiliation. Predicated not on some devotion to core ideals & principles of the country, but something else.
One side largely is moved by wanting a system, a society, a government that is responsive to the situation and needs of the public. This has a number of aspects, from infrastructure, taking care of the environment, BLM, taking care of the 'least among us' &etc.
These folks...
These folks on "the other side"... Not sure what to call this other side. It is a collection of right wing people, some who are simply "members" by affiliation, by tradition, by location in the country...others by reasoned choice.
However they get there, a large % are like this.
@StevenBeschloss@HC_Richardson How do we keep track of this?
And when it happens that we are told we have to 'move on' for the sake of the country, what shall we do then?
I fear we are going to leave the cancer in the body having only cut out the most obvious part. And that not cleanly.
It is déjà vu' all over again-the same questions from long ago: "...When will they every learn...When...".
The answer seems to be never.
I do not have faith in the resolve of @JoeBiden et al, to
@StevenBeschloss@HC_Richardson 3/ do what is necessary to explore what has happened these last 4 years.
Agreed, what needs to be done is not Retribution. Nothing done out of anger. But if we are truly unable to deal with the facts of what happened, in all of its details - there will be no healing.
@tommy_pane No. You are wrong.
The people who are telling you this are
. Secr's of State
. the various levels of certification boards
. The Courts - now over 30 cases thrown out for being frivolous and without merit.
I always have thought you were more thoughtful & considered than this
@tommy_pane 2/ I keep giving you that benefit of the doubt.
But when you perpetually come back w groundless/factless rejoinders like this... and almost always refuse to engage the various points of fact or assertions I make in response to yours
it gives pause.
@tommy_pane 3/ Trump is causing a great deal of long term harm.
I don't know what info sources you pay attention to. But I encourage you to expand your thinking.
This constant appeal to subtrafuge and dark arts that are propounded by the AlexJones sect, or the Fox Opinion class (vs the
Before there is any talk of pardoning anybody let’s first figuring out what we’re pardoning for.
Do you want to pardon Trump? First understand the immensity of the lawlessness so healing can happen.
The constant avoidance is a Band-Aid over cancer.
We can’t do it again.
Was predictable of course. Even someone like me could see this is what was going to happen.
But we cannot afford another Obamaesque “let’s just MoveOn.“ And leave the cancer festering.
It will happen, and it will re-emerge another Trump later on.
We have not figured out that
The opposition is not interested in reconciliation. They are not interested in facts or truth. They are complicit in one of the worst attacks on our country/constitutional government since perhaps the Civil War.
They are interested in getting away with it.
It is a basic
This is remarkable. Feels like the Stalin trials where he forced confessions before the execution.
"Like us we believe..."
He says how much he is looking fwd to the proof, & expects it, but does not, cannot say, how absurd it is that having lost 30+ court cases already why is
one allowed to fester in the public square, not submitted to any court as evidence of all the claims made.
This will not end well. This gambit is designed to keep the agitation alive w wan hopes of its being true, even while it is crystal clear it is a feint, at best.
At worst it is a huge intentional lie. Known to be a lie to the perpetrators. The willing captains doing their part to cast doubt on the election with nothing but empty, but loud and ominous sounding claims.