Australian iron ore producer Fortescue (FMG AU) is a great example of how value investing often works in practice. In 2018 the stock was trading for A$4. It was cheap at spot iron ore - a mid single digit FCF multiple, even w historically high discounts on low-grade 58pc Fe (1/n)
The reason it was cheap was investors believed the increased 58pc discount was structural not cyclical, and benchmark iron ore prices of US$60-70/MT were not sustainable - Chinese demand would surely falter, and send prices down to US$40-50/MT (2/n).
I basically agreed with the market. That was also my expectation. But I decided to buy some anyway because I recognized I could be wrong, and if either iron ore prices stayed at US$60/MT or rose; OR 58pc discounts narrowed to historical levels, the stock would prove very cheap.
Meanwhile, the stock was fairly priced on the base case market expectation (mirroring my own), at perhaps a HSD FCF yield. Not many investors make an investment on the basis that they might be wrong, but I did due to (1) the asymmetry; and (2) the future being hard to predict.
So what happened? Unexpectedly, there was a Vale dam failure in Brazil, taking out several 10ms MT of supply. Chinese demand remained strong. 58pc discounts narrowed, and covid further interrupted Brazilian supply, while Chinese have stimulated infra to offset covid headwinds.
Iron ore prices have gone to US$130/MT. No one expected that - least of all me. The result? The stock is up 5x to A$20 and has paid out A$3 in dividends since 2018 - 75% of its 2018 trading price. I made a lot of money on FMG not because I was right but because I was wrong.
Unfortunately, I did sell too soon (in hindsight) - about A$11-12 average during 1Q20 - albeit partly to help fund purchases that have since performed as well to better. But that's not really the point. The point is, value investing is a very counterintuitive pursuit.
Major market moves are caused by new, unexpected developments. Value investing is often about recognizing that the future is full of surprises, and positioning yourself favourably with respect to asymmetry; it often means betting on things you don't actually expect to happen.
The other reason I owned it was I also owned Ferrexpo (FXPO LN). FXPO was on the other side of product spreads - they produce higher quality 65pc pellets - and pellet premiums for higher quality material had surged to record highs, mirroring FMG's product discounts.
FXPO was trading at a low to mid single digit P/E because investors didn't believe high pellet premiums were sustainable. But if that was to prove to be the case, it could well also be the case that FMG's large product discounts also wouldn't be sustainable.
The market was assuming the worst of all worlds for both stocks - something you often see with cheap stocks, where glass-is-half-empty thinking prevails, and investors focus more on the risks than the opportunities (something I always seek out in investments).
It was unlikely both stocks were going to simultaneously experience the worst case scenario priced into both stocks. It's turned out pellet premiums have fallen. FXPO has still done ok, while FMG has done spectacularly. You don't have to predict future - just identify asymmetry.
Another way to put it is: the market tends to price in the most likely outcome (the mode) as if it were 100% likely, and ignores other possible outcomes/tails in the distribution. People don't think probabilistically and overestimate their ability to predict the future.
Asymmetric opportunities in tails are also not exploited because doing so is best served through a diversified approach, but there is currently a cult of concentration. Consequently, investors will only buy things where they feel sure about outcome, thus creating the opportunity.

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Compounder bros overlook that the most effective long term compounding often comes from high distributed FCF yields (dividends and buybacks) that are then reinvested at high distributable FCF yields. Has little do to with growth per se - esp if paid up for in advance.
The other thing effective long term compounding requires is the avoidance of periodic, catastrophic losses. When growth stocks go wrong they go down 90%. If that happens once every 20 years it destroys your ability to compound. Avoidance of the risk of large losses is imperative.
In good times, people often criticise Buffett for missing winners. But Buffett knows that great long term results require one place primacy on avoiding losses, not missing winners. A large part of Buffett's track record is due to him having avoided any major losses for 70yrs.
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Most investors assess the accuracy of their analysis by the share price. But all a rising share price proves is that there have been more buyers than sellers. You only find out if your analysis was right after 10yrs+ when u can tally up dividends paid & compare to purchase price.
I saw a manager recently talk about how an illiquid small cap stock they own is up 10-20%, as if that proved the wisdom of their decision. But one of the reasons it's up is that I've been buying it and have contributed to pushing up the price. But what if I'm wrong?
What is true on a small scale is also true on a large scale with big companies. More buyers than sellers push up share prices, and vice versa. That's driven entirely by opinion, sentiment, and liquidity (Fed, inflows, etc). It says nothing at all about whether analysis is right.
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We've reached the point in the cycle where the brains trust of fintwit confidently declare Buffett - the most successful and experienced investor that ever lived - has missed out on tech simply because he doesn't understand concepts like unit economies & operating leverage...
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To generate a 10% return on DCF basis, it would need to distribute US$20bn perpetually from that point. Every year that goes by where they don't, that number rises 10%, or 2x every 7yrs. Coy is yet to distribute any cash; that no. has now grown to US$40bn, & US$50bn including SBC
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I think ppl are far too confident in AMZN's future all-encompassing dominance.
*WMT and TGT having significant success with omni, & more profitably than AMZN.
*Shopify providing e-com access for smaller merchants outside AMZN; + social commerce.
*AWS falling behind GOOG & MSFT.
AMZN is a great company with a great future, but people are getting carried away & ignoring the risks. The biggest risk for AMZN is a lack of focus. More focused players are already starting to chip away at edges of many of their businesses. AMZN is also way behind outside US.
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