Most investors assess the accuracy of their analysis by the share price. But all a rising share price proves is that there have been more buyers than sellers. You only find out if your analysis was right after 10yrs+ when u can tally up dividends paid & compare to purchase price.
I saw a manager recently talk about how an illiquid small cap stock they own is up 10-20%, as if that proved the wisdom of their decision. But one of the reasons it's up is that I've been buying it and have contributed to pushing up the price. But what if I'm wrong?
What is true on a small scale is also true on a large scale with big companies. More buyers than sellers push up share prices, and vice versa. That's driven entirely by opinion, sentiment, and liquidity (Fed, inflows, etc). It says nothing at all about whether analysis is right.
When you buy a stock, all you are buying is an entitlement to receive future dividends. Your analysis is proved correct if and only if the future stream of dividends generates a high IRR on your purchase price. That takes yrs/decades to find out. The ST share price is irrelevant.
The metrics you should use to gauge the ongoing accuracy of your analysis are earnings, cash flows and dividends. If they are tracking well and imply your thesis was right & generating a high dividend-based IRR, you're being proven right regardless of what share price is doing.

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3 Dec
Australian iron ore producer Fortescue (FMG AU) is a great example of how value investing often works in practice. In 2018 the stock was trading for A$4. It was cheap at spot iron ore - a mid single digit FCF multiple, even w historically high discounts on low-grade 58pc Fe (1/n)
The reason it was cheap was investors believed the increased 58pc discount was structural not cyclical, and benchmark iron ore prices of US$60-70/MT were not sustainable - Chinese demand would surely falter, and send prices down to US$40-50/MT (2/n).
I basically agreed with the market. That was also my expectation. But I decided to buy some anyway because I recognized I could be wrong, and if either iron ore prices stayed at US$60/MT or rose; OR 58pc discounts narrowed to historical levels, the stock would prove very cheap.
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We've reached the point in the cycle where the brains trust of fintwit confidently declare Buffett - the most successful and experienced investor that ever lived - has missed out on tech simply because he doesn't understand concepts like unit economies & operating leverage...
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I think ppl are far too confident in AMZN's future all-encompassing dominance.
*WMT and TGT having significant success with omni, & more profitably than AMZN.
*Shopify providing e-com access for smaller merchants outside AMZN; + social commerce.
*AWS falling behind GOOG & MSFT.
AMZN is a great company with a great future, but people are getting carried away & ignoring the risks. The biggest risk for AMZN is a lack of focus. More focused players are already starting to chip away at edges of many of their businesses. AMZN is also way behind outside US.
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Warren Buffett used similar math in one of his shareholder letters circa 1999 to highlight how unlikely it was Cisco would justify it's valuation. He also pointed out at the time how investors forget investors as a whole cannot take more out of market than what companies earn.
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