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21 Dec, 4 tweets, 2 min read
Someone asked me why I retweeted this.

This is an amazing case study in poor communication. Everyone I talk to is is much better than this, but the dynamics here are writ-large versions of mistakes that we are probably making.
I'm looking at this thinking "What went wrong here, and what general pattern, or piece of skill, would have been needed to avoid what went wrong?"
First pass: Is the core thing that's happening here about which things should be assumed to be willful misunderstanding and which things should be assumed to to be honest mistakes? That is, where do you allocate charity?

But that isn't it yet.
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21 Dec
@Insect_Song But...the label "bad actor." I think that that label is useful, and I don't particularly dispute it's use here, but that doesn't mean that I don't think it is useful to empathize with the internal state of bad-actors (unless you're doing that as insulation from manipulation).
@Insect_Song "Bad actor" to me, is like a boundary that a person is setting, but it doesn't preclude understanding the fuck up that results from conflicting first-person perspectives that are each laying claim to some burden of proof thing.
@Insect_Song Like, the thing that is happening there seems like an usually crisp example of a thing that is happening all the time, between people who are behaving correctly in their own world.
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21 Dec
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Why is it that Bioethics, as a field, doesn't look like a bunch of (less smart) Bostroms, weighing tradeoffs and steering towards overall good outcomes, but instead looks like a bunch of people promoting harmful polices in the name of morality?
@yashkaf Also, this is a good example of the virtue of humorlessness. @JeffLadish asked a (mostly?) joke question, but I reflexively took it seriously.

Which led me to actually think about, and, I think, attain some new insight about the world.
I do, dispositional, process all questions literally, even when I know that they are ironic or phatic.

That's not to say that this kind of investigation precludes humor, or vice versa. Probably there is some better synthesis. But also, this attitude is adaptive.
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21 Dec
@JeffLadish I think because the reward structure of being a bio-ethicist rewards saying level-headed sounding, cautious-sounding, conventional wisdom?

Though I'm not sure why that is.
@JeffLadish I guess if you want to radically improve the world, you mostly don't go into a field that is about opining on other people's work, you go into something like Engineering and do the work?
@JeffLadish I note that Nick Bostrom is what a Bioethicist should be: he thinks hard about tradeoffs and risks, and crystalizes concepts like the Unilateralist's curse and black ball technologies.

But this is starting from a place of "The world could be vastly better. How do we get there?"
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20 Dec
Something that I am surprised and confused by:

I would have expected that when the pandemic hit that there would be a flurry of innovative solutions to the problem of "meetings and social interactions online."

But it seems like there was very little of that.
There's Zoom, of course, and a few platforms on the model of gather.town.

But...that's about it?

(Maybe there are lots more, but I haven't heard of them?)
I'm thinking about this now because the Rationality Community had its secular solstice tonight, which was held on a custom app that was designed to allow a few hundred people from all over the world to sing songs together, without it being terrible.
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2 Oct
I'm reminded of a comment that I made in reading Joseph Campbell years ago: the east has inner peace, but the west invented freedom.
In the west we suffer, we have to deal with sin, we have to take responsibility for our lives and for choosing well.

All of which flourishes in the enlightenment into the idea of political freedom and self-determination.
In the east, there are paths to transcending suffering and escaping the cycle of death and rebirth.

All that is expected of you is that you comport yourself appropriately for each of your social roles. (Extreme example: caste systems.)
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22 Sep
Here's my take on what was happening around those LessWrong threads about meditation a few years back.
Note that I didn't really read and participate at the time, but I did talk to many of the relevant people in person.

I don't speak for anyone and I'm sure there will be lots of individuals that don't really fit the narrative I'm about to tell.
But I think this narrative does help contextualize LessWrong's reactions to stuff in the meditation and "woo" space.

Counter-narratives and conflicting data points welcomed.
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