In January 2020, 45 GOP senators had the view that the Senate can vote on articles as soon as they're received. Pelosi holds the articles until January 20; the Senate votes—with an aim of precluding Trump from holding office again—that evening. All over by Biden's first full day.
PS/ That a Senate impeachment trial determines removal *and* disqualification from future office means it *can* be conducted after the officeholder is no longer in office. In this case, a vote on conviction and disqualification—win or lose—would only follow Trump's term by hours.
PS2/ The idea of a vote without trial is troubling. But of course impeachment is a political process, not a legal one, as we've been told interminably, and what I'm suggesting would only occur if the president's party *refused* to conduct a timely trial following an insurrection.
PS3/ Of course it's more complicated than this. Given that this is a political trial—not a legal one—couldn't certain senators vote 1) not to convict (for instance, because they felt uncomfortable doing so without trial) but 2) to nevertheless disqualify Trump from future office?
PS4/ A given senator could decide—wholly permissibly—that the standard for conviction is beyond a reasonable doubt, while the standard for preclusion from future candidacy is preponderance of the evidence. This would be one way to sidestep concerns about the lack of a full trial.
PS5/ The baseline fact is this: in politics, you can hoist your opponents by their own petards if you absolutely must in a way you *couldn't and wouldn't do* in a criminal trial. The GOP standard set for impeachment was this: you can vote without a trial, or with argument only.
PS6/ Presidents mustn't be allowed to commit impeachable offenses late in their term simply because they know they'll escape impeachment (on the theory that holding a trial under such circumstances acts as a punishment of their *successor*—by way of stepping on their presidency).
PS7/ We often say, "The Constitution isn't a suicide pact." I think that's relevant here. The president and his party—by *their own actions*—created 1) the need for a trial at a time that'd punish *Biden*, but *also* 2) a precedent for how to handle a trial that *relieves* Biden.
PS8/ *I* say just hold a trial on 1/22. Congress can walk/chew gum at the same time. But for anyone hoping to squelch impeachment with cowardly logistical whinging, I'd give the foregoing answer—as clearly such a whinger wasn't standing on principle in the first instance, anyway.

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10 Jan
(THREAD) To understand the second impeachment of Donald Trump, we must understand the words that preceded and augmented his January 6 incitement of insurrection. This thread unpacks four key speeches—Don Jr., Giuliani, Mo Brooks, and Eric Trump. I hope you'll read on and RETWEET. ImageImageImageImage
1/ If you haven't yet seen my analysis of Trump's January 6 "incitement to insurrection" speech, you can find it at the link below. This thread will look at four shorter—but deeply consequential—speeches just before Trump's, all by Trump allies or family.
2/ DONALD TRUMP JR.

Trump Jr.'s speech on January 6—which ended less than an hour before his father incited an insurrection—is one of the most inscrutable of the day, because its beginning includes some promisingly responsible rhetoric. Then it descends into madness and chaos.
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A question I'd like constitutional scholars to address is whether a senator sitting as a juror in an impeachment trial can decide that the standard of proof for conviction is different from that for disqualification from future candidacy and vote for the latter but not the former Image
As I read Article I, Section 3, the utmost punishment the United States Senate can impose following an impeachment trial is either or both of removal from office and disqualification from future candidacy. It's not clear in the text itself that the two punishments are conjoined.
Of course constitutional scholars will have done substantial research on this subject, and will know the case law on the question—particularly how the Supreme Court has interpreted the punctuation here, which makes it unclear if the possible punishments are conjoined or discrete.
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The "perks"? Isn't the main concern that Trump will continue to get classified national security briefings during his post-presidency unless he's impeached? It seems to me impeaching Trump is a national security issue, unless I'm missing something? @AshaRangappa_ @FrankFigliuzzi1
(PS) I mean "impeached and convicted," of course. (See tweet above.) @AshaRangappa_ @FrankFigliuzzi1 @joshscampbell @juliettekayyem
(PS2) To those saying the briefings are discretionary, even if they are, a) Trump will ask for them, b) he'll run in '24 if not impeached/convicted, c) the whole GOP will howl if Biden yanks them without the—wholly appropriate—cover of an impeachment/conviction. It'd be v. messy.
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(NOTE) This feed has promoted nonviolence since its inception. I profoundly object to any expressions of violence directed toward the Proud Boys or anyone else. As an attorney, I believe in our lawful and peaceful system of justice as being the appropriate response to any crimes.
(MORE) Hat tip to @snowgimper and @tyler_digital. ImageImageImageImage
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(THREAD) Gavin McInnes—co-founder of the Proud Boys—has claimed that no Proud Boys were wearing orange caps during the Capitol assault. He may be right. I don't know. Here's a video of the Proud Boys walking to the Capitol, which I analyze in this thread.
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0:46 Orange cap visible
1:17 Orange duct tape visible on man in tactical gear
1:23 Orange marking on man in tactical gear (helmet)
1:29 Orange duct-tape armbands (6 Proud Boys)

The Proud Boys are using military hand signals and many are carrying backpacks. Contents unknown.
2/ It's clear from the video that a contingent within the Proud Boys' military-style march—almost exclusively men who are at the head of the column—is wearing "blaze orange" armbands. The Wall Street Journal implies the Capitol assault was initiated by men in "blaze orange" hats.
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(NEW) Gavin McInnes—founder of the Proud Boys—has taken to Parler to say I and CNN are wrong about Proud Boys wearing orange hats at Trump's insurrection. He's threatening a lawsuit.

To be clear, I was working from CNN's report only. I'll now wait to see what new info comes out.
(PS) *Some* paramilitary group wore orange knit caps on Wednesday. And *some* paramilitary group wearing such caps was the first to attack the barricades. Buzzfeed News says the Proud Boys had promised to "breach the Capitol." I guess we'll see if CNN has its information correct. Image
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