(Thread) Today we have published a paper on a way to reduce antipsychotics to minimise withdrawal effects and possibly relapse in @SchizBulletin. bit.ly/31bc8Eg with thanks to co-authors Robin Murray, David Taylor, @sameerjauhar and Sridhar Natesan. (1/n)
It extends our work on risperidone to more antipsychotic drugs bit.ly/3tMFdSV
It provides some examples of pharmacologically rational tapering regimes for haloperidol, risperidone, olanzapine, clozapine, quetiapine and amisulpride which takes into account 2/n
their pharmacological characteristics and clinical trials. We suggest reducing dose by 5 or 10 percentage points of D2 occupancy (equivalent to about one quarter or one half of the dose) every 3-6 months. (3/n)
Some patients may be better with 10% reductions a month, or slower (depending on how they tolerate the process and how long they have been on the drug for – people on it for short periods will be able to taper much quicker) (4/n)
Antipsychotics are recommended because they reduce symptoms in short term studies and reduce relapse in discontinuation studies. But as Murray and Moncrieff and others have argued most discon studies involve very quick stopping of antipsychotics (mostly <4 weeks) (5/n)
Therefore it is possible that these studies induced withdrawal effects or discontinuation-induced de-stabilisation of people prone to psychotic states. Therefore the relapse rate might be reduced by a more gradual tapering. (6/n)
There are studies that now find that relapse rates correlate with rate of reduction of antipsychotics bit.ly/3vKFvLM , consistent with slower tapering reducing relapse rates (7/n)
In fact there are some cases of people with no diagnosis of a psychotic disorder givenn dopamine antagonists (antipsychotics) for other conditions (eg problems with lactation, nausea) who on stopping antipsychotics developed psychotic symptoms for first time in their lives.(8/n)
These psychotic symptoms involve cardinal symptoms of psychosis – Capgras delusions, auditory hallucinations, etc – and sometimes require re-starting the antipsychotic and tapering more slowly. Therefore it is possible that psychotic symptoms are 1 of the withdrawal symptoms(9/n)
from antipsychotics.
Slower tapering might reduce the chance of these withdrawal effects (and withdrawal-associated de-stabilisation) (10/n)
As people on antipsychotics report many unpleasant adverse effects such as emotional blunting, weight gain, cognitive dysfunction, sedation and akathisia they often ask to reduce or stop their medication.
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Given that these medications cause reduction in brain volume, increase metabolic disease and tardive dyskinesia we should seek to minimise people’s exposure to only necessary treatment – which means treatment at the lowest dose possible for the shortest period of time. (12/n)
Relationship between dose of antipsychotic and its effect on D2 dopamine receptors (and other receptor targets) is hyperbolic and so linear reductions (eg 4mg, 3mg, 2mg, 1mg, 0mg) will cause increasingly large changes in D2 occupancy which might increase risk of relapse(13/n)
It seems more reasonable to reduce by even amounts of effect on the brain (eg D2 receptor occupancy) which involves hyperbolic dose reductions (smaller and smaller dose reductions eg for olanzapine 7.5, 6.0, 4.5, 3.5, 2.5, 2.0, 1.5, 0.9, 0.4, 0mg). (14/n)
To provide these small doses liquid formulations of the drug (widely available for most antipsychotics) or tapering strips might be useful. There is a trial of a hyperbolic dose reduction of antipsychotics happening in Taiwan. (15/n)
What period of tapering makes sense? Withdrawal effects are thought to arise because of adaptations to the drug made by the brain during treatments (as for other substances like benzos, opioids or antidepressants). (16/n)
Therefore tapering might need to take many months or years for longer term patients in order to minimise the disruption caused by reduction. Patients treated shorter term may be able to reduce their medication in weeks or months (less adaptation to the medication) (17/n)
(Thread) With due respect to others who have contributed to my special edition I consider this one of the most important pieces. bit.ly/2OAa1aH@Altostrata When I was coming off an antidepressant and in dire straits, I could not find any guidance on what was (1/n)
going on or how to navigate out of it from published literature. Without Adele Framer I would not have been able to get off my drugs; indeed I am not sure I would be alive. I have learnt a lot from her and now I am very glad that now other clinicians, patients (2/n)
and researchers will be able to learn from the wisdom she has gained over 15 years and deep study. She tells me she looked and looked for an expert to be able to help her and could not find one. Instead, she was forced to become one herself. (3/n)
If you have been tapered off a psych drug too fast by a doctor, is it possible (after recovering) to go back and try to let them know what happened? Understand there may be a lot of anger. But could help others avoid the same fate. Terrible thing to have ask ppl to do I know
I ask this because in a focus group yesterday some ppl had done this. Know this takes a lot of energy. But ppl need to stop being told 'I have never seen this before', 'I don't know what to do'. At some point I am sure @rcgp will spring into action
It is also a numbers game. There are about 30,000 GPs in England. Based on this paper there are 10,000 English people just on a handful of facebook sites who know how to taper antidepressants. There are more ppl learning all the time bit.ly/3qhgTXb
In the same way that benzos can make anxiety worse in the long term, can antidepressants worsen the condition they are designed to treat? Proud to have commissioned this thoughtful analysis: bit.ly/2GDRMgj@TAPsychopharm /1
Current diagnostic systems in psychiatry do not consider the iatrogenic components of psychopathology, and can be applied to only patients who are drug free. They are suited for a patient who no longer exists: most of the cases that are seen in psychiatric clinical practice.../2
"...receive psychotropic drugs and such treatment is likely to affect prognosis and treatment choices."/3
How to taper antipsychotic medication to minimise withdrawal problems: more slowly than you think, down to fractions of usually used doses. Might need liquid versions, pill cutters. Thks Robin Murray, David Taylor @sameerjauhar Sridhar Natesan @JAMAPsychbit.ly/2XyvtxM
Summary: Antipsychotics can reduce psychotic symptoms and might reduce relapse rates so can be useful. But lots of side effects: tardive dyskinesia, metabolic problems, subjectively unpleasant, probable brain shrinkage. 1/
Doses should therefore be reduced to minimal effective dose, which for some might be zero. Also evidence that functioning (employment, independent living, relationships) improve for less or no antipsychotic /2
Ketamine, like other anaesthetic agents propofol and nitrous oxide, reduces depression scores in 2 hours. Does that make esketamine a safe and effective antidepressant? No. With @joannamoncrieff in @TheBJPsychbit.ly/3gw4cUC (thread)
We analysed studies submitted by Janssen to FDA to licence esketamine (esk) for treatment-resistant depression (TRD). TRD sounds rare and severe, but Janssen’s defn - people who have ‘failed’ two different ADs - likely to include many current AD users. (1/25)
Esk is one of two mirror image molecules that make up ket. Esk is 2xpotent as ket. 3 trials conducted for 4 weeks to compare esk to placebo. In 2 of these trials there was no sig. difference between esketamine and pbo. (2/25)
(thread) An interesting session today on antidepressant withdrawal. Much confusion resolved by looking at how long people are on antidepressants:clear relationship between length of use and risk of withdrawal symptoms.
Whether studies are RCTs, observational or survey data all fit along a curve that increases for increasing duration of use. Hugely misleading to patients and doctors to focus on studies for patients only on 12 weeks of antidepressants
When half of English population is on antidepressants for more than 2 years. In this group of patients all data points to incidence of withdrawal being 50% +. True for escitalopram, fluoxetine as well