When I say that so long as nobody is being harmed people’s decisions, choices, and actions are always acceptable and should be respected; conservative Christians often ask me: but who decides what harm is?

They do this to invalidate ‘harm,’ because if we can obscure the notion of harm, and they can decide that people going to hell is really the harm we should be worried about; then they are justified in crossing every possible boundary to keep people from hell.

They are “helping,” “saving,” not really harming.

That’s one of the main ways in which the concept of sin is weaponized against people; because they decide what sin is, which is what will send us to hell (except not because all we have to do is repent and then we are safe).

It doesn’t matter how we define harm, how much logic we apply to explaining that when people say they are being harmed we should believe them; or how much evidence we have of harm caused. It doesn’t matter that people are literally and metaphorically bleeding. It’s not harm.

I mean they justified the genocide of Native people, the forceful taking of our land, the abduction of children with sayings like “kill the Indian, save the man.” By their logic they haven’t caused harm, they have “saved” us. There is no evidence of this, but they say so 🙃.

Basically instead of looking at clear evidence in people’s lives, instead of looking at people’s own experience, to inform them of harm, instead of listening to people; they have chosen to decide what harm is based on their beliefs in regards to the afterlife.

They put their beliefs above people’s reality, their opinion above people’s scars and wounds, their thoughts above people’s evidence. This is their superiority complex, thinking their opinion, beliefs and ideas supersede people’s actual lived experiences and evidence.

They gaslight us all, and they gaslight themselves, by denying we are harmed at all, or asserting the “perceived” harm is exactly that, just perceived. They even assert the harm is even a gift because then we won’t burn in hell forever. Harm is kindness 🙃.

And here is the kicker: when we show them evidence that hell as eternal torment, and many of the things they assert are sin; are not really in the Bible like they’ve been told; they cover their ears and sing “la la la.” They are not concerned with harm, but with being right.

Harm is not an imaginary hell. Harm is here and now, and human beings have enough consciousness and intelligence to tell you when we are being harmed.

I will still answer the question because I am nice. Who decides what harm is? The ones bleeding!

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Christians talking about a sexually explicit performance being evil don’t realize they are telling on themselves. Evil is something profoundly immoral that causes harm and destruction. Not simply something you disapprove of or dislike.

When Christians say that two women of color being sexual in their own time, without requiring them to watch or engage with what are putting out there is evil, they are saying our sexuality is evil. So women of color being sexual, causes them harm or destruction.

And how can they not see the connection between that narrative and the reality of a Christian man driving to massage parlors to shoot Asian women because they "tempted" him? How can they not see their narrative blames women, especially women of color, for their own response?

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Sex work ≠ sex trafficking.

Equating them harms sex workers and sex trafficking victims. Listen to sex workers and victims, stop making decisions for them.

The problem has never been sex work, instead it has been for a long time the white supremacist cis-hetero patriarchy.

Making this conversation about sex trafficking when nobody even has all the facts on whether there was sex trafficking continues to take the focus away from the facts.

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ways, or instead of finding support, asking for help... he was going to murder Asian women because they “tempted him.” Ending his temptation to make him “pure” was a bigger priority that the lives of these women. Because he was taught the world revolves around white men,

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Christians often say “not all churches,” which yes, agreed. However, here are some signs of abusive churches.

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Obedience is demanded - coercing people into obedience and focusing a lot on behavior control and discipline as ways to evidence your godliness.

Isolation - a tendency to demonize anything that is not the version of Christianity they approves of. Secular info is rendered as dangerous, a door to “backsliding.” This also extends to demonizing people with messages that don’t line up with to their narrow doctrinal beliefs.
Belonging hinges on agreement - dualistic thinking is the norm, and rules of belonging are set with that mentality. You are with us, you believe what we believe, you behave how we behave; or you are against us, and obviously wrong. You belong if you agree only!

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All theology is made up. It’s all frameworks to explain/communicate things we can’t explain/communicate otherwise.

The question: is this theology true? Is irrelevant. The more important question: is this theology moving us toward a healthier version of ourselves? is helpful.

“True” when it comes to theology can be reduced to “that which the most powerful have agreed upon.” Not necessarily that which is verifiable, fact or reality. Because nobody can prove that the Canaanite god El is ≠ than the Israelite Elohim, or the same as the Christian God.

Theology evolves. The more information we have about humanity and cosmology; the more theology changes. While some frameworks were adequate for ancient people, and led them toward a healthier version of themselves; they are rather inadequate today, and toxic theology now.

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Thank you for the unsolicited education Brent. This is all stuff I have been told and was indoctrinated into growing up. Changing my mind required a lot of studying but I’ll give you a quick summary. Since you decided to try to teach me I figured I’d return the favor.

We start in Gen 19. First look at Ezekiel 16:49-50, now go back to Gen 19 and notice the issue was not homosexuality but rape! Because we can all agree rape is horrific, and per Ezekiel and Genesis the issue wasn’t at all consensual, respectful homosexual relationships.

Now let’s take a look at Lev 18:22 and Levi 20:13. Hebrew has 3 word for man: אִישׁ ('iysh), זָכָר (zakar), and גֶּבֶר (geber). And those verses look different in Hebrew than they do in English where it seems to simply imply male homosexual relationships are an abomination.

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It isn’t hyperbole to say bad theology kills*. Just War Theory begun in the 4th century BCE to justify the horrors of the Roman Empire that was now a “Christian” state. It’s been the justification behind genocide, anti-semitism, islamophobia, and xenophobia for 1600 yrs.

The differentiation between genocide and malicide, murder and assassination, oppression and protection; were all made under the guise of Just War Theory. Because to make war just you have to change definitions and demonize a people group as evil you have to rid the world of.

It is always the powerful that use Just War Theory to defend bloodshed and destruction. When I say Christianity must be challenged, it is because it’s provided power hungry empires w/a very effective weapon to oppress and tap themselves on the back because “God is with them”

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