One trap for #echoists when it comes to leaving bad (narcissistic) relationships is a species of self-blame: the figuring out response. "I wonder if s/he meant it? Does s/he have NPD? Was that real?" 1/6
The reality is that echoists learned this strategy in their family of origin. Rather than being encouraged to trust their gut, they're often pushed to try to think about what their narcissistic caregiver is thinking or doing or feeling--in other words what makes them tic 2/6
But in healthy loving relationships, if someone does something upsetting or disappointing, we're not expected to think about why or try to prevent future hurts by understanding the psychology of the person we're close to. Healthy intimacy involves saying "ouch" when hurt. 3/6
If your son or daughter was hurt by a friend, you likely wouldn't ask them "Why do you think they did that? or What do you think they were thinking? Or do you think they did it on purpose?" You'd say, I'm so sorry. That must have really hurt." And comfort them. 4/6
But #echoists had to survive experiences by hoping that if they figured out their narcissistic caregivers they, themselves, could prevent being hurt. And as adults they often do the same with their partners. 5/6
It's not your job to figure anyone out but yourself. And doing so is often a well-cultivated habit, to protect yourself from attack after simply saying ouch--and protect narcissistic friends and partners from feeling hurt simply because you dare to say "I didn't like that." 6/7
Recognize the *figuring out* response as what it is-- and always was: yet another way of shouldering responsibility for someone else's bad behaviors. 7/7
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Such a great example of how the narcissistic need to feel superior completely disrupts logic and creates psychotic thought process. It doesn’t matter that this is obviously ridiculous. Trump retweets it against all rationality because it devalues Obama. Reality takes a backseat
He believes this, and it’s important that everyone grasp that. He’s obsessed with where he stands in relation to other people on every metric, especially Obama. That preoccupation drives him to accept any bizarre idea that boosts his esteem. That’s what a “thought disorder” is.
It’s a form of mild psychosis where rationality and attachment to reality are suspended to maintain a false view of the world and oneself that’s become a primary concern. And it’s not at all uncommon in extreme personality disturbances.
1/ Question from commenter: "Can psychopathy and Borderline be comorbid? Or NPD and BPD?"
NPD and BPD are definitely comorbid: hence the term "cluster B"
2/ Narcissistic personality disorder, histrionic personality disorder, antisocial personality disorder, and borderline personality disorder, all share a common core of extreme difficulty managing ("regulating") emotional experience and the self.
3/ And they all share a pattern of underdeveloped coping (also called primitive defenses), marked by distortions in reality (and sometimes a departure from it). Psychopathy and Borderline Personality Disorder can also easily overlap.
@gtconway3d@realDonaldTrump What make this doubly disturbing is that a statement like this reflects extremely stunted emotional functioning. Healthy people recognize they’re upset and seek support for their distress. (1/7)
@gtconway3d@realDonaldTrump Extreme narcissists, because they’re loathe to acknowledge any emotional vulnerability, *blame* the world when they’re upset: “You’re *making* me hate you.” What they really mean is I’m hurt—even angry—about what you said or did. (2/7)
@gtconway3d@realDonaldTrump But acknowledging that people can affect their feelings is too scary, so they split the world, like a 3 year old, into good (“people who make me feel good”), and bad (“people who make me feel bad”). This primitive defense is actually called splitting. (3/7)