Age 731, or earlier: in a rut after killing the goose that laid the golden scouters, the Saiyans team up with other aliens to further their development, a path that finally leads them to Freeza. Or maybe they started off working for Cold. Depends on who you ask. #HistoryofEver
The date 731 comes from the Daizenshuu 7 timeline (reused in the GT Perfect File timeline and elsewhere), which states that the Saiyans join up with Freeza around then, right after the Tsufruian war of 720 to 730 (and not long before Freeza terminates their relationship in 737)
In contrast, DBS: Broly presents the Saiyans as initially working for Cold, before Freeza is handed the reigns through good ol’ fashioned nepotism. Bardock says that Cold “subjugated the Saiyans by force”, although this was apparently “a long time ago”
The Bardock portion of DBS: Broly is set in...ugh, let’s just say 738, plus or minus 1. Either way, Cold subjugating the Saiyans “long ago” implies a much earlier date than 731. The movie also shows the Saiyans receiving scouters from Freeza, no Tsufruians necessary
Overall then, there seem to be about four or so different versions of Saiyan history: in the original manga, we just hear about them living on Planet Vegeta and getting blown up by an asteroid named Freeza
In the DBZ TV series, they originally shared Planet Vegeta with the Tsufruians, before wiping them out “long ago”. In the PtEtS/GT/daizenshuu version, they came to Planet Plant from elsewhere, then Vegeta’s dad led them against the Tsufruians and named the planet after himself
In the DBS version, they came to Plant Vegeta after wrecking Sadala, with no specified timeframe and no mention of the Tsufruians. Vegeta’s dad is the third King Vegeta, but he apparently did much to expand his kingdom
The PtEtS/GT/daizenshuu version is the one with all the specific dates, so that’s what I’ve structured these threads around, but its cramped timeframe for the Saiyan/Freeza partnership has always been shakey. The whole idea of sending babies implies they’ve been doing this longer
While so far the Tsufruians are a no-show in DBS, Toriyama did create them for the anime staff, and even mentioned them in a Q&A back in 2014, so who knows? Maybe Freeza picked up the scouters from Gichamu before regifting them to the Saiyans. kanzenshuu.com/translations/s…
On the other other hand, maybe Cold/Freeza’s trusted advisor Kikono invented the scouter, along with their army’s armor and spaceships, as claimed by his bio from the DBS: Broly website...though this idea was left out of the actual movie (maybe his full name is “Kikono Gichamu”?)
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It’s already November 20th in Japan, which means Dragon Ball has officially reached its 40th anniversary. In case you weren’t paying attention and/or born at the time, here are some highlights from the first 40 years of DB history… #DragonBall40th
1984: gag manga superstar Akira Toriyama concludes megahit Dr. Slump, and in November debuts its follow-up in Weekly Jump. This Journey to the West-inspired kung-fu adventure kicks off as inventor girl Bulma recruits monkey boy Goku to track down the titular dragon balls.
1985: after last year’s tail-end teaser, things begin in earnest. The initial “quest for the dragon balls” arc wraps up in May, and Toriyama shifts gears to a tournament arc (always a fan favorite in his Dr. Slump days) with the lecherous Roshi and Goku’s new cueball-esque BFF.
According to Bunshun Online, Dragon Room head honcho Akio Iyoku has stepped down from Shueisha and established his own company, Capsule Corporation Tokyo. Supposedly he wants Shueisha to keep DB’s manga publishing rights but for CC Tokyo to handle DB games/anime/etc.
As you might imagine, Shueisha is reluctant to part with DB to any extent, and negotiations are still ongoing. According to this article, anyway. Shueisha has apparently confirmed that Iyoku is stepping down, but not confirmed any of the particulars so far.
Bunshun Online reached out to Toriyama and asked if he would be working with Iyoku in future, but Toriyama said he couldn’t comment publicly, only through Shueisha. He also said the company name “Capsule Corporation Tokyo” was Iyoku’s idea, not his own.
Dragon Quest: The Adventure of Dai ep.41: Pissed Myst’s great and the logistics of Dai’s sword are interesting, while the castle’s just there to be knocked down. But it knocks down well. 4/5 #DragonQuest#ep41
Rewatching the DBS panel, there’s a few things I want to note about the subtitles. They’re fine overall but there’s a few things I think are oversimplified or left out. Going through roughly in order of importance…
When discussing the artwork for New Character 1 and 2, in Japanese Hayashida says how it’s Toriyama’s original artwork, unlike the Piccolo/Pan/etc images that have been developed into full-fledged anime designs. The subtitles instead say it was made before movie production began
Now, it might indeed be true that Toriyama would’ve made the initial artwork before movie production began, but that’s not really what Hayashida is talking about. He’s contrasting this image with the earlier ones shown of Piccolo and co, which weren’t Toriyama’s original artwork
May 15th, Age 767: after three days of rest, Goku recovers from his heart disease (a week earlier than Trunks expected). The situation may be dire, but Goku knows the perfect place where Vegeta and Trunks can finally spend some quality father/son time together... #HistoryofEver
Speaking of quality time, Goku and Chi Chi get a nice moment together in the anime, sharing a kiss far too hot to actually show on screen. Or include in the canon, for that matter.
Alright, so…in the original manga, Goku and Chi Chi are never shown kissing. In DBZ ep.147 they share an offscreen kiss (they later made a figurine based on this). In the DBS anime and manga, Goku claims never to have kissed his wife. Draw your own conclusions.
May 12th, Age 767 (Bad Future Edition): at 10 AM on an island 9km southwest of South City, 17 and 18 begin their assault. Vegeta and co are mowed down, leaving Gohan sole survivor. Even the dragon balls are no use, since Pilaf and co wasted them on a dumb wish. #HistoryofEver
May 12th, Age 767 (Better Future Edition): 19 and 20 appear on schedule, but Our Heroes are ready. Well, Goku gets a bit sick, but Vegeta covers for him. While 19 and 20 don’t last long, 17 and 18 make short work of the gang. And that’s just the beginning of their problems…
Yes, it’s another busy day. May 12th has the honor of being one of the few specific dates mentioned in the series, although the year 767 comes from the Daizenshuu 7 timeline. If there’s any number pun significance to this date, I haven’t been able to find it.