CHIEF CHARUMBIRA CLAUSE 9 MARRIAGES BILL SENATE COMMITTEE STAGE (Chiefs are not dull)
HON. SEN CHIEF CHARUMBIRA: Thank you Chair. I want to support what has been said so that it is seen as a collective thing not an individual thing.
CHIEF CHARUMBIRA: The import of a clause which says chiefs shall have to apply to the Minister and the fact that it does not exist in respect to heads of diplomatic missions, our civil servants.
CHIEF CHARUMBIRA: Someone from UZ with just A levels works in Min of Foreign Affairs & International Trade, 27 years down the line he/she goes to a particular mission & becomes head is taken to be more respected, trusted &we have more confidence in that civil servant than a chief
CHIEF CHARUMBIRA: This is demeaning to the institution of the chiefs. Kuitarisira pasi zvikuru and we would not accept this. If this clause existed alone without other clauses which say other people are not subject to certain applications, maybe we would take a different view.
CHIEF CHARUMBIRA: But the fact that the next one says these others are automatic, we feel very much demeaned as an institution. In fact, if you go to Section 282 of the Constitution, this is discrimination of an institution. @Wamagaisa@veritaszim@kubatana
CHIEF CHARUMBIRA: When one is appointed a chief – all chiefs are equal. So, you cannot by operation of this Bill, start grading them and say uyu anoita uyu haaite.
CHIEF CHARUMBIRA: It is very contradictory coming from the Minister of Justice because the Customary Law and Local Courts Act does not have such a provision where a minister has the discretion to say this chief can preside over a local court which is a primary or customary court
CHIEF CHARUMBIRA: and this one does not qualify. By virtue of that office, every chief anotonga mhosva which is a greater challenge than sitting as a marriage officer because in a judicial function, the processes are more complex.
CHIEF CHARUMBIRA: The judgements are more complex and enforcing the orders is more complex. So if the reason is havana kufunda, then we should as well withdraw from them,
CHIEF CHARUMBIRA: the judicial functions which are even more complicated compared to people coming in front of you with your proper papers in place and asking them whether they are married or not and then papers are signed.
CHIEF CHARUMBIRA: I think Minister, in my view, we should not even belabour this point. This would not go well and I want to support the proposed amendment which again, for emphasis, reads as follows:
CHIEF CHARUMBIRA: ‘every chief shall, by virtue of his or her office and as long as he or she holds such office be a marriage officer for a customary law marriage in the district in which she/he holds office.’ I submit that this is a very serious amendment. I thank you.
HON. SEN. SIPANI-HUNGWE: Thank you Chair. I agree with what the chiefs have said that we are people and the chiefs’ jurisdiction is in the rural areas where there is violence. We find that our chiefs are champions when it comes to conflict resolutions.
SENATOR SIPANI-HUNGWE: So why do we not just take them as they are. If we think that our chiefs are not educated, there should be no segregation or any conditions attached. We have pastors who are officiating in marriages.
SENATOR SIPANI-HUNGWE: If it is difficult we should take them and educate them and train them in officiating marriages. I do not think we have dull chiefs here because as it is – it is like we are putting them at a certain level.
SENATOR SIPANI-HUNGWE: I think the Minister should take time, even three months or one year training them on how to officiate marriages. I am supporting the others that chiefs should be marriage officers.
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PRISCA MUPFUMIRA: CORRUPTION IS NOT ENDING BECAUSE OF CATCH AND RELEASE
PRISCA MUPFUMIRA: Thank you, Hon. President for giving me this opportunity to debate on corruption. Corruption is a disease, a cancer or a pandemic that has spread the world over. Zimbabwe is also included.
PRISCA MUPFUMIRA: I would like to thank Sen. Muzenda for bringing up such a very good motion. I also like to appreciate contributions that have come up. Corruption indeed starts from an individual, be it at household level, it may spread to the local community& to national level.
PRISCA MUPFUMIRA: The problem why we are not properly handling corruption is that you hear the issue of catch and release. You hear that people have been arrested because of corruption, but later you hear that they are released. @ComradeFatsooo@ZACConline@MunyaBloggo@kubatana
SENATOR NDLOVU: EVEN AT PARLIAMENT THERE IS CORRUPTION TO GET FUEL COUPONS
HON. SEN. NDLOVU: Thank you Mr President Sir, for giving me this opportunity to talk about corruption.
SENATOR NDLOVU: As the Chief said, it is very difficult for corruption to end because the only thing left in Zimbabwe is that every citizen will corrupt him/herself. This issue of corruption is never-ending because when you want to take the issue of corruption to higher offices,
SENATOR NDLOVU: you realise that is where it is starting from. What the Chief said is all true. Sometimes when travelling and you get to a roadblock the police officer will not know the person driving the vehicle but they will demand to check the vehicle, @PoliceZimbabwe
CHIEF NHEMA: REPORT ON FIGHTING CORRUPTION & RESTORING TRUST IN GOVT
HON. SEN. CHIEF NHEMA: I would like to reiterate a few words on this motion that was brought up by Hon. Sen. Muzenda. I am pained very much by corruption. In my view, we may not be able to end corruption.
CHIEF NHEMA: Why do I say so? We see corruption happening everyday but our problem is; if I am to report that I saw Senator Muzenda being involved in corruption, I become the bad person.
CHIEF NHEMA: Be it from legislation, instead of ensuring that those people are charged, they end up being released as well. I end up choosing to ignore because there is nothing I can do.
SENATOR MORGEN KOMICHI: REPORT ON FIGHTING CORRUPTION & RESTORING TRUST IN GOVT
HON. SEN. KOMICHI: I would like to thank Senator Muzenda for raising this important motion on corruption. It is true that corruption destroys people. #OpenCovidContracts
HON. KOMICHI: One or two people may be involved in this corruption but the effect to the whole country is that its very destructive especially in Govt. The Min of Finance disburses funds for example to roads then that money does not get there but is squandered by 2 or 3 people.
HON. KOMICHI: If we look at the state of the roads right now, it is killing the citizenry. Corruption goes all the way. We hear right now in some country the President fired his Minister because he squandered covid funds.
HON. SEN. ALICE DUBE: I will direct my question to the Leader of the House. What is the Government doing to ensure and enforce cybersecurity and also punish those abusing the internet? #CyberLawsZW@ComradeFatsooo@misazimbabwe
MINISTER MUTSVANGWA: The Government of Zimbabwe, through its Ministry of Information Communication Technology, Postal and Courier Services has come up with a Cyber Bill which is actually going through Parliament now and we think it will soon be enacted. #CyberLawsZW@ZwContent