1/ Colin Huang is the founder & ex-CEO of China's largest ecommerce co by # of users, Pinduoduo $PDD ($155Bn mkt cap). He retired earlier this year at just 41 yrs old. With net worth of $53Bn, he's the 21st richest person in the world.
This is PDD's biz logic in his own words:
2/ Note: Colin gave very few interviews and only has a few public blogs. This is from 9/22/2017, an entry titled "More free market or more planning? Thoughts on supply-side reform" where he lays out the types of demand reform & why he thinks one type can realize supply reform.
3/ So first, he thinks that supply and demand are two sides of the same coin and initially seems a chicken-and-egg problem. But his friend told him a story abt how WWI triggered need for mass standardization of clothing & this confirmed his suspicion demand reform comes first.
4/ So there are 3 types of demand side reform.
First, meet the demand that has always existed but has not been fully met. This is a large category that covers most kinds of supply-side upgrades, ie airplanes becoming not just for war & adventure but mass transportation.
5/ Second is the emergence of new applications / scenarios. This is the case with the WWI example where suddenly many goods are needed in large quantities & standardized, driving changes in the organization, management and delivery of supply-side production and distribution.
6/ But the third way is from changes in front-end demand aggregation, or a significant change in info collection costs. ie, after smartphones, the cost of collecting routes, locations & aggregating consumer demand has been significantly reduced, making cos like Uber possible.
7/ The 2nd type of change in demand = far & few in between, but the 3rd type of change should have many cases.
We should be able to make a semi-market economy by using a semi-"planned economy" on demand side to promote the realization of semi-"market economy" on the supply side.
8/ "Traditional ecommerce" makes supply side more transparent and enhances competition, but doesn't really change manufacturing. In fact, the more competitive / free the marketplace, the more powerful the disconnect between demand and the offline production plan.
9/ This is bc most large factories still rely on large orders from large channels ie Walmart & intl retailers. They're disconnected from the small vendors duking it out on these online marketplaces. The free circulation of demand doesn't mean manufacturing is any less planned.
10/ So we still need to work on the demand side. What if we can let consumers have more patience, coordinate w others, give up immediate gratification? We can use social recommendations, networks, interests to segment demand that allows for more time to be fulfilled.
11/ While this kind of aggregated demand is not gonna be as much as Walmart, but it'll be enough for one production line. This way we can have 1 Walmart order become 50 small orders, manufacturers can be less dependent on Walmart, factories can compete for each of the 50 orders.
12/ If we can do this, then we can resolve the diff between the highly market-oriented distribution side and the rigid planning of the production side. In its place, more planned demand and more market-based supply side would merge. And demand and supply can be more synchronized.
13/ BTW, the above is EXACTLY how $PDD works! If you're a regular @techbuzzchina listener, you'll recognize this is C2M, or consumer-to-manufacturer. Colin's explanation is pretty elegant, & while it has elements of Aggregation Theory (@convexity16 wrote abt it), he goes farther.
@TechBuzzChina@Convexity16 14/ One thing I wanted to do this yr is to highlight more Chinese tech voices. They influence a lot of my thinking & I want to give proper credit. Colin Huang doesn't really need any introduction but I think his few words are worth reading. Follow for more.
Well glad to see this thread blew up. But your real takeaway might be that this kinda experiment is very difficult (impossible?) to run ex-China and expect to see more diff Ecommerce emerge there bc of supply chain upgrades / experiments, which is what everyone is focused on.
In addition for those of you who have been following me a while know I’ve quoted Colin before on the timing of this, which was also v impt. Excess capacity ~2015 made suppliers v willing to try new things. Amazon did same btw ard same time! So it’s a combo of factors for success.
Finally this is one example of what I mean by when I say Chinese cos more strategy driven than product driven. Also there is just this underlying belief you can shape the market a bit, often via managed growth, not exclusively focus on removing friction. 😉
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1/ Today's thread is on Zhang Lei's thoughts on retail. You guys remember of course that he is the founder of Hillhouse Capital, the long-term $60Bn asset manager, Yale alumnus, David Swenson follower & friend, generally one of the most successful investors in China.
2/ Hillhouse is a heavy investor in ecommerce and retail. An early win was JD, but they're also in Haiziwang (toy store chain), Belle (shoes), Bianlifeng (convenience stores), $YSG Perfect Diary (cosmetics), Blue Moon (China's P&G), LPPZ (snack chain) & too many others to name.
3/ Hillhouse is a research heavy org. They spent years studying retail. That's bc Lei believes you need to know at least a few decades of the industry's history before you can make decisions. One of the first markets he studied is US, which has a very long history.
1/ Maybe it's bc I've had the luck to chat in depth w folks at front lines of rise of semiconductors last decade but I get annoyed when TSMC is mythologized like everyone else was clueless or something. Actually, they all pushed each other & btw some of it was luck.
2/ Before TSMC, there was UMC (MediaTek is a spinoff!). In 1984, Robert Tsao was the head, and wrote to Morris Chang in US proposing the "outsourced fab" biz. Morris ignored him. 3 yrs later, Morris is Robert's boss & proposed just such a biz without mentioning Robert at all.
3/ Robert was sore abt this for yrs. Per him, the TW government picked Morris to run TSMC (which is a JV btwn TW govt and Philips) bc he was older and the govt liked white hairs more. UMC did well, but bad luck struck in form of factory fire in 1997 which was a big setback.
OK mini-rant here. No, like u, I don't know Colin Huang personally & he did not tell me why he retired. But if u're writing abt it and fail to include the fact that his mentor Duan Yongping ALSO retired at 40 & went on to be a VERY successful investor then ur story is incomplete.
Check it for urself. Duan went to same univ, took young Colin to Buffett lunch. Pinduoduo culture / values basically borrowed from Duan.
PS If u're a Buffett fan, know that besides Li Lu & Zhang Lei, Duan also big value investor. Last wk during $BRK mtg, tons of articles abt him.
Another thing, investing in govt-led objectives is NOT considered sinister / coercive in China. It's literally good business sense. That's the point of these announcements. Govt is telling u they're going to put resources / policies to work supporting these industries.
Hilariously, a Chinese biz reporter went undercover in Shanghai to research the current state of Community Group Buying. He decided that the co w the most lax hiring standards is probably doing the worst since it is most desperate. You might not be surprised by what he found ...
Nice Tuan (independent player, BABA backed) told him pretty much immediately he should report for training.
So did Didi, but he wasn't able to get an offer after the 3 day training due to lack of previous experience.
Meituan didn't even give him the chance to train. Niubi!
The job he was interviewing for is "BD" or ditui in Chinese, basically offline salesperson, popularized by Meituan during the Thousand Groupon War. They were really good at training & organizing this army. Not a high skill job. Pretty much if you're a HS grad you qualify.
1/ Wow, just read the very extensive & thorough report on Sea $SE from @kgao1412 of DJY Research. Founded in 2009 by Chinese-born Singaporean Forrest Li, it is now trading at $115Bn market cap. 2020 revenues were $4.4Bn off of 3 segments, gaming, ecommerce and fintech.
@kgao1412 2/ Not gonna summarize the report here but I saw many parallels w its development and Chinese cos, which is only natural and probably accounts for part of Sea's success anyway. For example, starting off in gaming cafes is basically what first wave of Chinese gaming cos did.
@kgao1412 3/ Then using social tools to amass users and turning that into an advantage to partner with Tencent and get sweet titles to publish. Then acquiring titles to grow own IP. But gaming in severely underbanked region meant Sea had to find a solution for payments, cue AirPay.
1/ One of the most famous investors in China is low-key Zhang Lei, founder of Hillhouse Capital, $60Bn long-term asset manager investing across multiple stages and industries. He published his first book "Value" last yr. It's excellent & I'll have to post multiple threads on it.
2/ Hillhouse was founded in 2005 and its first LP was Yale Endowment, where Lei had interned during his Master's program. (The late David Swenson was a very important mentor to him.) Lei is a proponent of value investing. None of his other 4 cofounders had investment experience.
3/ Actually, he only half did himself. He recalls of his Yale Endowment internship interview: he answered mostly "I don't know" to Swenson's questions. He believes he was hired bc he was honest about his shortcomings. Besides honesty, Swenson prized fiduciary duty above all else.