“My short answer is that, while obviously we need to acknowledge the interesting fact that throughout the ages, same-sex activity has had many different relatively local sociocultural meanings and names, it wasn’t invented in the 20th century.”
The category of “homosexual” really is, I think, a contingent historical creation, and its deconstruction is welcome.
It’s a metaphysical reinterpretation of the act of sodomy. Foucault was actually half-right about this.
“Strictly speaking, a sexual orientation should be understood in terms of the sex(es) you would be sexually attracted to under relatively self-aware, uncoerced, uninhibited circumstances, and not necessarily who you actually are attracted to right now.” ⬇︎
“A sexual orientation is for life, not just for Christmas parties.”
See? There’s a whole philosophical anthropology and metaphysics built in here.
Suppose there were no such thing as a “sexual orientation,” but only a pattern of ethical and natural desire, and beside that, disordered desire, including stable disorders of desire, i.e. perversions.
It would be rather more difficult to ground one’s “identity” on what is a disorder and a perversion, definitionally a kind of defect and a morally blameworthy one at that.
A good way to see this is to compare homosexuality with pedophilia.
What is the difference here QUA the kind of thing each is? Why doesn't pedophilia count as a “sexual orientation”? (This needs to be answered even if you think you can cache it out so pedophilia is immoral.)
“Waahhhhhh! You can’t compare homosexuality and pedophilia!”
Why not? How are they different QUA “being sexual orientations”?
“Pedophilia isn’t an orientation!”
Why not? That’s not what the pedophiles say. Who are you to question the lived experience of a marginalized group?
“Pedophilia is morally wrong and homosexuality is not!”
That depends on what they are, doesn’t it? If pedophilia *is* an orientation, it is only wrong to *act* on it.
Do you want an orientation/act distinction?
I’m all for that!
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“plausible models” + “controversy reigns” + “seems to” = IT CAN ONLY BE POINTLESS TO … ON THIS BASIS.
Yes … that’s a pretty weak basis for a “can only be pointless to.”
Also, that isn’t what “ethically fraught” means.
Among those who have looked into the way sexual orientations are formed, it isn’t controversial. An inclination for same sex attraction runs in families, so it is partially genetic; identical twins don’t always end up with the same ‘orientation’, so it’s partially environmental.
Being partially genetic doesn’t mean something is not a disorder, by the way. THOSE are frequently genetic too.
Another cool lesson I learned on the path of chemistry:
I was top in my class, but the award for “top in chemistry” went to this other girl because her professor was head of the department and mine was a new hire.
But I was already bailing for physics, because ⬇︎
1 I was really, really good at chemistry. Just because you are really, really good at something doesn’t mean you necessarily *like* it much and
2 I still thought *physics*, as the fundamental science, might be a path to something profound about the world. I was very, very wrong.
Pretty soon I was doing a Philosophy/Physics double major, and I was good at physics too—but I soon learned that for at least 100 years or more it had become a kind of advanced recipe following. “Quantum cookery.”
I feel like this point is not well understood by many. It would probably clear up a lot of confusion about what I do with ideas.
A lot of the things I say, which sound absurd, *are*, in fact, absurd, but what I’m doing is following out the implications of what someone else has said, to see whether or not the initial assertion survives this or detonates in a BANG! of absurdity.
But most people, from my observation, feel as if they have a “right” to say things that have implications but not have the implications drawn, unless they approve of them.
Or have a right to made concrete arguments without the logical form of their argument being tested.
The problem with those who naively appeal to “the obvious” is that nothing is, in itself, obvious.
What the naif takes to be obvious may, upon reflection, turn out to be true — but his defect lies not in missing the truth, but hitting only by accident.
I have always liked this saying of Master Qingyuan Xingsi.
It always puts me in mind of Socrates, who often argued the views of the common people, against the “sophisticated” sophists — in an utterly uncommon way.
It is difficult to have a discussion with the sophisticated. Their sophistication gets in the way.
But it is impossible — often — to have a discussion with the completely uneducated man. Especially when they take a perverse pride in their own lack of education.
You deserve to be dismissed. You bring nothing of value to the table. You could, perhaps, be a student, but you are dead-set against having your ignorance corrected, so that seems unlikely.
Yes, I do, in fact, have disdain for ignorant moral subjectivists.
You deserve disdain because you hold a stupid and evil view of the world.
And you are, presumably, teaching this evil and stupid view to your children.
I hope for your sake they don’t listen to you and actually adopt sound views of morality.