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May 22, 2021 23 tweets 8 min read Read on X
New pre-print from WIV:
RaTG15, which it seems it is former Ra7909
biorxiv.org/content/10.110…
They finally concede after more than a year: "Here, we report the identification of a novel lineage of SARSr-CoVs, including RaTG15 and seven other viruses, from bats at the same location where we found RaTG13 in 2015"
No mention to the miners or the mine. Just this: "in Tongguan town, Mojiang county, Yunnan province in China in 2015, the same location where we found bat
RaTG13 in 2013"
Yes, the same 8 viruses that were embargoed from November 2019 to June 2020.
Gentle reminder:
Attention to this. They deposited the sequences only in a Chinese repository. They have learned it is more difficult to censor critical data if deposited in foreign repositories.
No surprises, the RBD aa seq of Ra7909 is the same as in that slide that disappeared from the webinars.
Old 7896 (MN312671) vs new version of Rs7896 (GWHBAUM01000001) RdRp
Rst7896 and RaTG15 (Ra7909) almost identical. Only 3 mutations
Now it is clear who took the samples. One of the three we already tried to guess: XLY
"small" lapsus. The pre-print is focused on RaTG13 (or Ra7909, although association is not explicit). All the other viruses only appear one time: in Fig S1B. But "7896" seems special for naming FTP folders. If they had used a US repository, this would not have happened to them
Also in BIGD. The Scientific Name given is SARSr-CoV Rs7896
We now know the exact day of the trip. Same day for the range 7896-7952:
2015-05-29
Gentle reminder on how they tried to hide it before:
The low variability we observed among the 8 RdRps has now been reduced more.
Old 7952 RdRp (MN312673) vs new 7952 RdRp (GWHBAUT01000001).
Changes exactly where 7952 was different vs the other viruses.
Now 7952 and 7909 RdRps are the same
7952 and 7909 are now only 8 nt different (in full genome!). This is the most strange thing for me. In Jinning the variability was huge. It was even mentioned in the new discovered theses
And remember that 7952 seems to have an unpublished co-infection. What if it happened the same as in Jinning?
Mine location! 23°03'27.1"N 101°37'16.1"E
But seems a wrong place
That would be Longtanxiang not Tongguanzhen
Correct location of the mine:
23°10'44.9"N 101°22'04.3"E
cc @TheSeeker268 @Drinkwater5Reed & #DRASTIC
It seems they have all of this well prepared since at least 19-Mar-21
Let's make a bet, what name do you think they will choose again for next week?
We have the name of the next PLoS Pathog article of WIV:
Do not miss these tools of @babarlelephant. Babar was the 1st to show the proximity of these 8 viruses to SARS-CoV-2 in a phylogenetic tree.
AFAIK that tree was the only existing tree with these 8 viruses for 6 months.
Note: you can change "query" to 7909

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Aug 11, 2023
🧵Natural and non-natural live isolates (WIV & related)
TLDR:
- A substantial portion of the research remains unpublished.
- Missing live isolate WIV15.
- No samples, isolates, chimeric and MA viruses in 2017-2019?
- What is "Rs4874" really?
https://t.co/9JPusWbl9l
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First, it is very important to distinguish between a sequence and an isolated virus. Isolating a virus is very difficult. The ratio is perhaps one in hundreds sequenced. WIV has obtained thousands of virus sequences but only a few live viruses.


AVC Panel… https://t.co/4upna76jru
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WIV have a special series of live isolates:

"We tentatively named the novel isolates BtAdV WIV9–11, based on the order of live viruses isolated in our laboratory at WIV".


"According to the naming order for live viruses isolated in our laboratory at the… https://t.co/3cEoHjXFmWmicrobiologyresearch.org/content/journa…
twitter.com/i/web/status/1…
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Jul 11, 2023
Let's go on an Easter egg hunt inside the pdf 🧵
Page 4: more on the timeline by Eddie
Page 10: some more remarks by Fauci
Page 13: longer version and remarks by Farrar
Page 16: answer by Nature


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Page 19: Drosten here?
Page 19: More context back and forth with Nature
Page 20: longer Slack chat
Page 23: same email as page 13 (+ 1 more line)


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Mar 4, 2023
New pre-print from WIV, ht @babarlelephant.
Some initial comments while we wait for the release of the accessions.
biorxiv.org/content/10.110…
They finally correct the Mojiang mine GPS coordinates. Although still with a 9 km error
(note the greyed area in Google Maps)
First time they acknowledge going to Jingne (in 2018). I was blocked by EHA for asking about this place. Another mine there?
Read 6 tweets
Jul 26, 2022
It is completely rewritten. Hardly any original sentence from the pre-print remains. The most significant change is the last sentence of the Abstract:
Misc:
- Rambaut now more involved (added to "Software" and "Data curation" in the contributions).
- The 155 cases turned now into 156 cases.
- Fig 1E then vs now (they forgot to update Fig 2B too).
- Fig 1A: many cases shifted East hundreds of m.
Clear misrepresentation by Rasmussen
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Feb 9, 2022
Judge yourself. They were looking for new SARS viruses different from SARS1 but this one found investigating a COVID-like outbreak in miners was not interesting and they made a mistake saying the miners had SARS antibodies.
80% identical means 20% different. I remember seeing that number somewhere before...
RaTG13 was baptized on January 2, 2020 or 1-2 days later. Not what they have been saying until now
Read 7 tweets
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Las declaraciones del Dr. Joan-Ramon Laporte Roselló (catedrático Farmacología, CV impresionante y sin COIs) en el Congreso, convocado por Podemos y PSOE, no han sentado nada bien. Le están tachando de "negacionista" sin refutar nada de lo que dice

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[48:25] Hay que vacunar a inmunodeprimidos, pero en niños y adolescentes puede ser contraproducente. La mayoría de los menores de 20 que han fallecido por COVID tenían enfermedades graves. Hay que huir de recetas oficiales y pensar críticamente. "Lo primero es no hacer daño"
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[52:06] En los ensayos clínicos no se vio claro que vacunas salvaran vidas. Los datos epidemiológicos muestran que nos salvan de hospitalizaciones, pero no nos salvan de la transmisión. No debería contar para un certificado COVID.
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