1/ This is a good article from @davewiner, let us call him one of the founding fathers of modern outliners. He has been outlining for decades, this means he has gained insight into them in the school of "experience". Worth reading and pondering his ideas.
2/ He released ThinkTank in 1983. Ran with the ad: "See what you think." Made for people.... interested in tools that could make their thinking more powerful, as a spreadsheet. Does it look & sound familiar? Yep, outliners have been around a long-time.
3/ the new generation of TfT tools has inspired him to stay committed. I am happy to hear that. Happy to hear Dave will continue to blog and talk about outliners as a tool for thinkers. Interestingly he mentions:
4/ quoting Dave: "What I've decided so far is that I am going to continue to develop Drummer (outliner with a server), and I'm going to push in every way for zero lock-in, user choice everywhere, and clean simple and extensible APIs for each of the components"
5/ He states "I create it (this software) for myself because this is how I think, it's why I knew to develop this stuff in the first place."
It is an important key to best tools, the dev is a user of his own tools & loves them. Dave's work influenced me years ago & thus Roam42
6/ Keep writing Dave, we are very interested.
Your work was probably ahead of its time, but now their is more hardware, variety of devices and people obsessed with tools for thought.
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This requires a few tweets to answer. I do trust cloud services. You can use @Tresorit which is zero trust e2e encryption. @obsdmd also has a service called “Obsidian Sync” which allows for cloud based zero trust (you provide your own encryption key).
Of course using any program on a local computer requires a level of trust with the vendor. This is true just using Windows, or Mac OS. So I trust @obsdmd, especially on the foundation of their openness and approachability.
Plugins are not necessary to use. But I do use a few. Of course as a JS dev, I can audit the code myself, but not everyone can do that. however the obsidian model currently is “safer” (not guaranteed safe). Why do I say that?
1/ Years ago I used something called paper, often with a pencil or pen. Maybe you have seen these ancient writing instruments in a museum. For handwritten notes, I used the Cornell Note taking system. I really liked it, it worked so well! Here is what a Cornell note looks like:
2/ Basically you write the topic in the header, take notes in main part of the page, then in left column write brief highlights (like callouts). Then at the end, you write a summary of the main ideas.
3/ The benefit of the system is that it forced me to make very brief summaries of my notes as I was taking notes, and then to think about how to best summarize the whole lesson or research in the end. This method served as a way of being mentally active in the learning process
This tweet generated some interesting alternatives to Zettelkasten. Let me list off a few. If you have some you have found not in my list, let me know.
1/ Really interesting question Mark poses here. Basically many now see blocks as fundamental building pieces in their Tools for Thought (a competitive advantage). However, the block itself is really a concept to make it easier for users to comprehend/visualize the data element.
2/ In other words, a block doesn't really exist. It is an abstraction for us as users to the underlying data store. What is crucial for understanding with these systems, is that each data element (block) is represented by an internal identifier that makes that data unique.
3/ This is actually what is important. Each block has its own address, which makes it easier to find, get to and reuse elsewhere. I explain this here:
1/ This looks important, interchange between TfT tools. Interchange historically fails due to competition between companies. (Lockin customers by controlling their data).
But it would be wonderful in #TfT infancy, if we can already establish interchange as a strong selling point
2/ The truth is, no matter how loyal you are to one product, you will always need to at some point interact with other tools. Why? Other tools may have some feature that you need for some project? Or you might be working with people who use different tools.
3/ Regarding this, #roam is doing a good job. you can export your entire graph to EDN (full fidelity), JSON (close to full) and Markdown files. Their export is improving. Lacking:
+ Image export
+ MD doesn't export all data elements yet
1/ Today I started a conversation with @dr_kvj, former user of #roam & Roam42. He moved to @obsdmd, but has now settled on @rem_note. Since he is active in the Tools for Thought space & I respect his opinion, I wanted to hear his opinion on @rem_note & why he moved to it.
2/ If you are interested in some info on @rem_note then join in on this conversation. If your a remnote user, feel free to add your thoughts. Goal is to engage broader TFT community
First question for @dr_kvj: What are the main features that made you settle on using RemNote?
3/ I am also curious if you use it on mobile device, and does it work and how is the experience?