2/ The basic questions remain. First, what was done at BSL2 vs. 3? The question is vital to the claim of a lab leak, as BSL2 facilities are not particularly secure. (Walk down the hall of a bio building at any R1 university and you'll likely see a BSL2 placard or two)...
3/ BSL3 labs, by contrast, are heavily defended. Not to the ultimate example of biomedicine's supermax BSL4 facilities but still...they handle some very scary viruses indeed. Extensive list of viruses (see other tables for other agents), pp 308-328: cdc.gov/labs/pdf/SF__1…
So if you want to make the argument for a lab-leak, or if you are a reporter writing on this question you need to know two things: first, what sequence of events in what setting would produce an infection and a leak into the general population...
5/...and whether those events took place in a lab in Wuhan where SARS-COV2 could encounter a person.
To begin to ask the right questions, lots of different contextual information would help.I don't cover this area, so I'm broadly ignorant of such context. So...
6/ It was only a few minutes ago the that I read that bit of the CDC's Biosafety in Microbiological and Biomedical Laboratories (BMBL) 6th Ed. that summarized research on the history of lab infections...
7/ It's hard to get stats on such infections, but for the 20 yrs from 1979, a literature review turned up 1,267 cases and 22 deaths, w. 51% of those cases coming in research labs (vs. clinical ones). So, roughly 32 cases/yr worldwide in research labs of every safety level...
8/ It would take more reporting, possibly quite a bit, to really grasp the meaning of that number. But at the least it sets up the prior that accidental lab infection is fairly rare, and it justifies at least testing the assumption that it gets more rare as BSL levels climb...
9/ I've already gone on at length in the thread this steps off from about the lack of rigor in making and reporting the lab-leak assertion, so I won't spend a lot of time here on it, except to say that "could have" is no substitute for "did"--and...
10/...even making the "could-have" claim needs to be done with a much more inquiry into what's needed to make "a possibility," reality.
So from here, I want to go to the moving goalposts & what seems to me to be intellectual sleight of hand among some pushing lab leak claims...
11/ Go back to my mention of BSL4 restrictions, despite the fact that in Wuhan research was done at lower containment levels. Why did I make that error, or omit the BSL2/3 argument until this thread?
Because I was mostly reacting in irritation to Baker's NYMag piece...
12/ And the climate that it inspired. It's worth a reread with a "prove it" frame of mind. You'll find that it's convincing as long you allow Baker's excellent rhetorical skills to sweep you along–he is a fine prose-maker...and perhaps less so when you go all MO on the piece...
13/ And you'll note that when he discusses Wuhan he emphasizes how unlikely (it seems to him) that the virus would emerge in the only city in China that has a BSL4 lab. That's reemphasized a fair amount; the only time Baker mentions other BSL levels is on other, US based work...
14/ So Baker argues for an engineered virus coming out of China's one supermax bio lab in part by pounding on Wuhan's BSL4 facility's sinister uniqueness...
15/ despite that his case for an accident wld be stronger if it engaged the public knowledge that Wuhan's coronavirus surveillance happened at BSL2/3.
So what's up? Why make the weaker argument but for a rhetorical end, because BSL4 is the scary place mad scientists revel in...
16/ Here I'll come to rest, with my frustration that the quality of argument &, in the reporting & promotion of stories about the lab leak, reliance on the unprovable negative: "is a lab leak impossible?" is fundamentally a distraction, both from the best reporting on all this...
17/ and the actual scandal: how politicians in the US (Trump and the GOP) and around the world, botched the response to the actual pandemic, and are now grasping at anything, including origin stories, to distract from their fatal failures.
So: in sum...
18/ Could a lab leak have happened? As a hypothetical, sure. But it remains not just unproven, but not even fully argued, for the omissions in the reporting/investigation, some of which I've mentioned, and more that I have not.
What we do know is...
19/ There are lots of clearly identified zoonotic instigators of local or global outbreaks of disease. There have been a handful of clearly documented lab infections of all causes, and no widespread outbreaks documented.
What I noticed: Richard Ebright, a biochemist focusing on bacterial processes, not viruses, was the sole quoted opponent; he's now talking lab leak... 1/
2/ China's reasons for seeking a BSL4 lab are pretty clear in the piece: China faces both domestic incidences of zoonotic disease, and, as quoted in the piece, is seeing a growing number of its citizens working in other settings that also see such disease...
3/ It's important for reporters & readers to grasp the basics of what BSL 4 means. The Wuhan lab is such a facility; that's the highest level of containment, reserved for studying deadly, readily transmitted, incurable bugs.
This is a reminder that Donald Trump spent over a year demonizing a "China" virus, along with other even more vicious terms.
The GOP leadership in Congress and the states let that stand--and in many cases amplified the hate....1/
2/ Last March I wrote in The Atlantic that such rhetoric has a long, fatal history. I was thinking of public health measures: historically labeling a disease as Chinese (or Jewish, or whatever) leads often to taking the wrong actions, or none at all, to respond to an outbreak...
3/ I didn't stop to consider the immediate threat of anti-Asian hate, though my historical example, early 1900s outbreaks in Honolulu and then San Francisco of the global bubonic plague pandemic, certainly provide plenty of examples of exactly that...
I'm here to say that the last four years diminished me. I've spent that time in a defensive crouch, fight or flight too much of the time, with COVID over the last year shrinking social connection; I'm less kind, I fear, and narrower in my thinking....1/
2/ I'd hoped, knowing that hope was foolish, that all that would discernibly fall away at noon yesterday. And, yeah, stuff changed; I could feel that change myself.
But four years of fear and anger and, lately, loneliness don't just evaporate...
3/ So the joy I want to feel in the real change, the real hope that I did see beginning to unfold yesterday ain't there yet, and isn't, ISTM, likely to blossom fully for a while.
I want to be happier for my wife and kid, dammit...and it ain't close to all there yet...
@curiouswavefn Rhodes, yes. Pinker, not for me; I find him conventionally contrarian and I am in the minority that does not find his style to my taste.
My list would a) change depending on what I'm thinking about and with the passing of years and b) would be eclectic...
@curiouswavefn For example. It would likely include Middlemarch, MacLean's A River Runs Through It, Heschel's The Sabbath and Seth's The Golden Gate, all of which had a real impact at the point when I read them. Shroedinger's What Is Life would be on the list at least some of the time...
@curiouswavefn Guy Davenport's The Geography of the Imagination and Kenner's The Pound Era make me think every time I dig into them. Lewis Thomas's Lives of a Cell opened my eyes to ways of seeing and writing; so did Didion's Slouching Towards Bethlehem. Pilgrim at Tinker Creek doesn't...
It really is fascinating watching every Republican office holder ignore the fact that they personally and their party have uttelry failed their biggest test: 220,000 Americans and counting have died on their watch--and their actions have steadily made that toll worse.
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2/ Most important; it's not just individuals who bear the blame, though FSM knows they do, from @realDonaldTrump on down. Republicanism itself has failed. Its core, default ideas have been tried and found wanting. No. Private enterprise didn't get PPE to hospitals in time...
3/ No: individual choice in the face of a collective emergency won't keep people safe. No: crony capitalism really does impede the response to a crisis. No: public health--socialized medical response--is vital to the security of the US. No: viruses don't care about your racism...
Got an email from @nytimes, and I'm reminded that the problem w. elite coverage of US political life is systemic, not bad individual actors. @llerer is ot a bad reporter. But when she says "“ I do think voters like to know what they’re getting with a candidate..."
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2/ Lerer complains that "I’m not sure this convention answered that question”--what policies Biden would advance, beyond simply being not-Trump.
There are at least 2 problems with this. 1 is that she acknowledges that Warren, Bill Clinton and Biden addressed exactly that...
3/ I mean--when Biden himself tells you what he's going to do, echoing many others who talked about everything from child care to climate change (and pandemic response!) it seems like willed ignorance to say that the DNC audience doesn't know what they would get w. a Biden win...