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6 Jul, 4 tweets, 2 min read
Ok folks, it's official -- we're entering a third attempt to seize the narrative from the side of the zoonoticists. They don't seem to be bringing anything new to the table, but they're trying.
And more -
And of course the originator of this wave -
It seems @Ayjchan is having similar thoughts. Great minds? Or... we're just stating the obvious.

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7 Jul
Allright. Down the rabbit hole we go. I'll do a line-by-line read of the latest Quilette piece by Deigin and Berlinski (not @-ing to not annoy) on @BretWeinstein. I'm bothered enough that I want to strip off the invective and see if there's anything left. quillette.com/2021/07/06/loo…
Before we get started, some ground rules, I am a Doctor, but my PhD is in Computing, so unless you're a computer, please don't take what I write here as medical advice. I want to read through it and parse critiques I've seen from @t_ayorinde, @GanineVanalst, @satrapo86, &c
I respect many of the people involved, so part of the reason I'm doing this is to work through this car crash and make sure I understand what I'm reading. This won't be a clean, coherent thread. Maybe I'll do one of those afterwards. For now, stream-of-consciousness it is.
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6 Jul
The new Lancet letter by Daszak and Co can only be read as an apology.

The title "We apologize: Science, not speculation, is essential to determine how SARS-CoV-2 reached humans" was probably too long and had to be shortened, but the intent is clear. thelancet.com/journals/lance…
Sadly, it starts with two lies. "On Feb 19, 2020, we, a group of physicians, veterinarians, epidemiologists, virologists, biologists, ecologists, and public health experts from around the world, joined together to express solidarity with our professional colleagues in China."
First, the group that "joined together"in Feb contained three more people: Peter Palese, Bernard Roizman, William Karesh. Their abesnce is not addressed, but given the outspoken retractions issued by the first two, we might have some suspicions. nytimes.com/2021/06/25/opi…
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5 Jul
Why do I find the lab leak conversation suppression interesting?

Where else can we see our sensemaking fail in real-time, this clearly?

- Govenment
- Academia
- Medicine
- Journalism
- International orgs
- Factcheckers
- Tech Companies
- Wikipedia

All getting it wrong at once.
Wikipedia should never have classified the lab leak hypothesis as "misinformation", but even now it's still "debating" whether to correct: cnet.com/features/wikip…
Here's how fact checkers, Facebook, and YouTube have handled it. Facebook in particular had to pull an about-face after deleting over *one million* posts.
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5 Jul
A🧵on retrospective wastewater (aka. sewage water) studies that attempted to pick up early signs of SARS-CoV-2

<epistemic status: gathering datapoints, not drawing conclusions>
Santa Catarina (Florianopolis), Brazil🇧🇷, November 2019 - ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…
Milan & Turin, Italy🇮🇹, December 2019 - euronews.com/2020/06/19/cov…
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4 Jul
This is a🧵of🧵s organizing the early datapoints we have on the origins of SARS-CoV-2. After starting a thread for open-ended datapoint gathering I realized there is too much to follow up in one place, so I'll be starting individual 🧵s and collecting them all as replies to this.
The intent of this thread is to gather different types of datapoints, and eventually attempt to stitch the different types together into a coherent story we can have more confidence in.

If you're curious about the original thread, it can be found here:
Wuhan Military World Games thread:
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4 Jul
A🧵on studies attempting to infer the date of origin of the virus

<epistemic status: gathering datapoints, not drawing conclusions>
Scientists from UK and Germany attempted to genetically map the earliest strands of SARS-CoV-2 in order to create a picture of the virus' evolution. Estimates first infection between mid-Sep and early December. cam.ac.uk/research/news/…
This analysis from Harvard Medical School uses satellite imagery and Baidu search logs to infer the time of first infections at around mid-August or September 2019 dash.harvard.edu/handle/1/42669…
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