Thread by @alexandrosM

I want to try something different: A 🧵on a 32-minute segment by @RWMaloneMD speaking to Jason from the Intellectual People Podcast.

It's all worth listening to, but this segment stopped me in my tracks, and pulls together much of what's going on.

I'll try to quote bits of this segment, and find sources as I go, because as you'll see he cites a lot of facts. I'm preparing to revisit the claim of Dr. Malone as inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology platform, so this video is background for that.

https://twitter.com/alexandrosM/status/1415218732033482756?s=20

The question the segment starts on, is (paraphrased) this:

Jason: "100s of millions have received a dose. It's an experimental vaccination, but how can the governments turn around and say 'we're not going to approve this, it doesn't meet our requirement'?"

Malone: "You're dead on. Politically, they can't do it. This gets back to the consequences of 'the Noble Lie'."

@zeynep wrote of a noble lie we remember: to save masks in the early pandemic phase, they wasted any trust in institutions many of us had left. archive.is/XrRBQ

"With this Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) strategy, we don't proactively collect safety data, relying on a kludgy antique DB system (VAERS) involving self-reports, and HIPAA prevents coupling medical records w/ reports to find if there is temporal or functional associations."

(note: I paraphrase the quotes extensively for readability and tweetability. In doing so, I attempt to retain the meaning as faithfully as possible. All errors are my own.)

"With the Ebola vaccine, they used something called Expanded Access. They created these massive clinical trial structures and enrolled anyone who needed the vaccine. The adverse events were captured via solicitation (calling the patients) & self-reporting."who.int/blueprint/expa…

"The gov't decided not to do this [for COVID]. They hoped to cobble together a bunch of databases from the military and other things. It hasn't worked out. Anyone who works with healthcare data knows why: it's the tech problem of Harmonizing DBs with their own nuances in coding."

"Doing this in a rigorous way has been overwhelming to the CDC, who isn't staffed by armies of computer scientists, who are making 10x working for big tech. They're in a position now where worldwide, these databases are uncovering safety signals, seems almost daily."

"In the Federal Register in 1984, the gov't clearly lays out, for the polio vaccine: any info raising safety concerns was to be suppressed. That has long been public policy: Leaders and officials are justified in lying to the public for the common good."

https://twitter.com/bobsnee/status/1418320566608547841

Slate documents 4 lies, concluding: "Noble lies are a trap. We can't predict the public’s behavior. Loss of trust is devastating. The general population is far too skeptical to blindly follow advice of experts, and far too intelligent to be easily duped." slate.com/technology/202…

Malone continues: "This traces back to the work of Plato, sometimes called the 'Noble Platonic Lie'. You can wiki it and find out more than you ever wanted to know".

greatbooksguy.com/2017/10/23/pla…

"When you see emails disclosed in the Washington Post, senior gov't officials admitting they've been lying to the public, it's grounded in a Platonic concept that it's OK to do so for the common good, as people wouldn't accept vaccine if they knew the full spectrum of risks."

"The logic is that anyone who discusses or discloses those risks is causing people to die, because they won't accept vaccine. This gets to the latest 'dirty dozen' stuff about people causing death because they are discussing vaccine safety risks" npr.org/2021/05/13/996…

"This is happening worldwide. There are countries where physicians are being declared mentally incompetent for raising questions, or advancing other therapies. Some of them are being institutionalized for having done so, and definitely losing their licenses."

I will track down stories and references with regards to the above claim in this thread. If you know of such stories of medical professionals please respond to that thread, much appreciated.

https://twitter.com/alexandrosM/status/1428611343695847425?s=19

Back to Malone: "This idea of the Noble Lie, which goes back to at least 1984, it's been carried forward through time without really being examined. Is this a good idea in the modern age where everybody wants to google everything, and find out everything they can?"

"If the pieces don't fit, or they feel like they are being manipulated, then they go into what I call lego conspiracy mode: there's all these information fragments, like legos, to your favorite conspiracy. That is actively happening."

"This is how people's minds go -- intelligent, thoughtful people, if they're not given the straight information, they're prone to fabricate stories of their own, based on the bit of information that they have. That is actively happening and it's driving government nuts."

"I think this idea of the Noble Lie and restricting access to information and disclosure is antiquated. We've had this intersection of horizontally integrated capabilities for information control that are amazingly powerful, and didn't exist even during the Ebola outbreak."

"If you want, look up Trusted News Initiative, it's not a conspiracy theory, it's a BBC press announcement, there's this organization of major media & tech (Facebook, Microsoft, Google, etc) that are integrated, as a consortium to resist foreign disinformation during elections".

bbc.com/mediacentre/20…

"This last fall, there was a decision that this organization would be used for this purpose of the Noble Lie of suppressing any information that was contrary to the established narrative. That's why your YouTube will be taken down if you talk about ivermectin or vaccine safety".

Seems a good place to link to my thread investigating the YouTube terms and conditions. My questions in that thread fit exactly with what Dr Malone is saying above:

https://twitter.com/alexandrosM/status/1405360837796061184?s=20

"And yet we all know, because we've lived it, that the CDC, WHO, and other public health leaders have flip-flopped multiple times, they're quite open about it, they think that they've done it for good reason."

"We have money coming from the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation and the Wellcome Trust, flowing down and creating new pop-up 'fact checking' organizations that are really applying what we would traditionally call 'psychological operation' concepts to craft public perception"

If you have more info about the pop-up fact checking orgs please send them my way and I'll include them at the end of this thread. Until then you can see in this list which foundation is funding which initiative in the "combating misinformation" space: credibilitycoalition.org/credcatalog/fu…

Malone: "They motivate the public to accept vaccine across all age cohorts, and that's what we really have. There's a lot of people who go down all sorts of rabbit holes about Davos, The Grand Scheme, The Big Reset, and all this stuff. And it's just about a vaccine".

"I can't say that [the conspiracy theories] aren't true, they don't invite me to Davos, I haven't sat in those meetings, but I can see the structures, because it's all public, for this information campaign that is integrated -- it's very open and transparent."

"We have interlinks between Big Pharma like Pfizer and the press. So, the Chairman of the Board of Reuters, sits on the Board of Pfizer. It's all integrated, and it's incredibly powerful for information control."

https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1409509557311881219?s=20

"Any of us who work in tech at and understand algorithms, understand that AI is like a big hammer, it just hits things. It's kinda stupid. So we're dealing with algorithmic fact checking comparing statements that may be nuanced, with broad, approved statements by the WHO/EMA/etc"

"My sons are computer scientists, fairly high-end, they make more money than I do (laughs). One of them works for an Atlanta company that distributes billions of daily emails, had this conversation with us about 'scattering cockroaches'."

https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1414189978154938372?s=20

"It's not PC speech, but the concept applied to Facebook's decision to delete user groups discussing adverse events people claimed from vaccines. They deleted [user groups of] 150,000 people or something like that, as they thought they would dissuade people from taking vaccines."

"When they did that, they stomped on the cockroach nest, and the cockroaches scattered to other venues (Reddit, Instagram, etc). They were no longer in one place where the government could data mine to provide signals that they could apply statistically to the CDC databases".

"That's the core problem with analyzing these databases is multiple imputation, statistically. You can't ask at a 95% confidence interval the broad question "is there any association of any of this stuff with vaccines" because you get into a statistical trap when you do that".

"You end up with 5% of this stuff being false positives, and it's wicked hard to get down to the true positives when you take that approach. So you have to have a hypothesis. 'I think that this is associated with cardiac events'. Then you go testing the hypothesis."

"Then you run into other problems, like masking and confounding, because when you have high baseline of cardiac events in older population, you'll never see the the new events trickle in. But if you have low incidence, say in adolescence, you can see the signal quite clearly"

"Now we have the situation where we're sampling the worst possible type of data, self-reported that cannot be associated. It was documented by a Harvard study that the VAERS database, this type of self-reports results in undercounting of about 100-fold." digital.ahrq.gov/sites/default/…

The next part is a bit muddled as to whether Malone believes similar undercounting of deaths is on the cards, but he retweeted the following study earlier today, so let's stick with the numbers in there, which are far closer to the 10x undercounting range. roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/estimating-v…

Back to Malone: "The gov'ts worldwide used these incredibly powerful tools of information control to impose a bias not just on those they wish to take vaccine. The same bias runs all the way through the CDC, which has as a mission that they should comport with this Noble Lie."

"This is in conflict with Federal rule, the Common rule, the Nuremberg code, but they believe it's for the right reason. What's starting to happen is that enough people are getting red-pilled, intellectuals in particular saying 'this doesn't look right'." media.tghn.org/medialibrary/2…

What Malone is saying here about "intellectuals in particular" having an issue with the situation as presented is corroborated by this study showing PhDs as the most vaccine-hesitant group. If that's not a narrative violation, what is? unherd.com/thepost/the-mo…

"And now the government has a problem. They can't lose legitimacy. And over 40% of the population has doubts." He then refers to this tweet as an indication of his fears of erosion of trust in public health authorities, and in particular the comments:

https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1413822067045195779?s=20

"What I'm concerned about is what happens after. These people pejoratively labeled as anti-vaxers, their historical reservations about government and pharma integrity are being validated. I have people writing me 'I don't want my kids to take any vaccine'."

This is essentially the same sentiment I expressed in the tweet below. Government approach is risking trust in any vaccine whatsoever and that would be a catastrophe.

https://twitter.com/alexandrosM/status/1416392727286095873?s=20

The real cost of damaging our information ecosystem the way we are, pouring obvious lies everywhere to the point where most people can't make sense sets us up for things much worse than COVID, I'm sad to say. Each of us must get good at discerning info.

https://twitter.com/alexandrosM/status/1406479776865345539?s=20

Malone continues: "We don't have to go to Davos controlling the world conspiracies. Occam's razor says we have incompetence & groupthink, compounded by a historic logic of the Noble Lie, mapped into new tech & media space where information control tools are amazingly powerful."

"People are waking up and seeing that, maybe for the first time, saying 'this doesn't feel right, at all'. Politically, this is orthogonal to the classic left/right axis. It's allowing traditionally opposed people to interact, and establish that they don't want Orwell's world."

"We don't want a Ministry of Truth, and we don't want NewSpeak (another way of saying 'politically correct'), we're not ok with this logic of forced vaccination of infants through young adultrs. It's not supported by risk/benefit data."

Jason: "Do you believe the governments will kick the can down the road, approve the vaccines, because they have no other choice? Also, at what point do companies, making millions of doses a day at this point, look at the vaccine and either reformulate or adjust the dose?"

Malone: "I strongly believe we need to approach this question with empathy, instead of setting up yet another conflict, even though media would love that. How does the government get out of this hole? Will they kick the can down the road?"

"I'm sure people at the FDA are under enormous pressure to approve, because it would reduce the pain of the government. And those in government have cognitive dissonance just like many of us do, and cognitive dissonance is pain. So how are they going to reduce their pain?"

"I've suggested to senior leaders they have the option to resort to standard protocol for the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) rather than pushing for universal vaccination, they roll out recommendations that are stratified by risk." cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/a…

"There's a logic that neither EUA nor licensure should be granted for pediatric applications, probably also pregnancy and maybe some others. That would allow the government to take a modified limited hangout, save face, and still maintain vaccine access" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_h…

"I was on a podcast, and they wanted us all to agree that the vaccine distribution should be halted. I said 'I can't sign off on that, the risk/benefit ratio for the elderly is there'. Also, focus on what you can win, and I'm focused on protecting infants to young adults."

"I think that's winnable, supported by data, and the government could get behind that. There would be opinion pieces in NYT, WSJ, WaPo saying 'that would be a great idea' and there we go."

"I think we should make Novavax available in North America for those that aren't comfortable with a genetic vaccine, about half the vaccine hesitant. Give another option, it's waiting. And even if you need to scale it, even granting the EUA will take some of the pressure off"

"It's likely there may be a decision to approve the Pfizer product by Christmas latest. Many with deep pockets are aggravated about that. They're buying access to the right data, doing their own analysis"

"What they're discovering is that CDC is grossly underreporting many of these adverse events, just based on the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services data. And when it comes out, the gov't will have a real problem. It will end up in the Supreme Court." data.cms.gov

"If the gov't stays entrenched they're risking major legal & political blowback that will tear apart the current public health system, it already is. We have key constituencies politically - angry mothers, young adults. African Americans remember Tuskegee, they're pretty dug in"

"Where does this go? You have these massive protests against Macron in France. The vaccine passport logic is a trigger. People are just going nuts. It's groupthink: worldwide, leadership has convinced themselves, they want to think alike, be aligned, they're down a rabbit hole."

"It may be in part because they've been influenced by these mega-donors, who have built up their own logic. They're true believers in the vaccine strategy. They're all in and they've spent a ton influencing WHO and governments to get with the program."

Malone's conclusion:

Noble Lie:
1. The way out of economic pain is herd immunity
2. The way to herd immunity is vaccination
3. The vaccines are perfectly safe.

All of those are false.

Bioethics approach:
1. Full disclosure
2. No coercion
3. The virus will become like a flu.

Malone closes: "Can't we all get along? Doctors & officials are taught to follow the CDC. They can't process the dissonance. If we set it up as a fight, it will be. If we approach it as dialogue with open mind and heart, we can find more adaptive solutions, even if suboptimal."

-Fin-