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Just For Shooting! Concept Plan #AlleBurgers
Is The Genie out of the Bottle?
We Are #AlleBurgers, representing the Silent Majority (cf Global Citizins).
Be silent untill you can ask questions (Wittgenstein). Now we can, strongly!
Just For Shooting! Concept Plan #AlleBurgers
Is The Genie out of the Bottle?
We Are #AlleBurgers, representing the Silent Majority (cf Global Citizins).
Be silent untill you can ask questions (Wittgenstein). Now we can, strongly!
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We wander around in opaqueness. In awe we see realities emerging, with shocks.
We have to live today by what truth we have today and be ready tomorrow to call it falsehood (James, 2000).
There is no equilibrium and everyone is exposed and fragile.
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We wander around in opaqueness. In awe we see realities emerging, with shocks.
We have to live today by what truth we have today and be ready tomorrow to call it falsehood (James, 2000).
There is no equilibrium and everyone is exposed and fragile.
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We trust eachother, address the tensions, and speak truth to power and truth to the people.
We see the higher-order effects in the context and measures. That produces our methods for change and continuous improvement.
Covid
[Climate, Finance; same kind of system's dynamics]
We trust eachother, address the tensions, and speak truth to power and truth to the people.
We see the higher-order effects in the context and measures. That produces our methods for change and continuous improvement.
Covid
[Climate, Finance; same kind of system's dynamics]
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The CONTEXT is organised by the basic questions: WHO, WHAT, WHY, WHERE WHEN:
+ Knowing the Complexities of the Context for Improvement:
The CONTEXT is organised by the basic questions: WHO, WHAT, WHY, WHERE WHEN:
+ Knowing the Complexities of the Context for Improvement:
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Covid is a Complex Adaptive System with one leading principle: Law of Large Numbers: n>>>1. Thus, no real impact of the constituent elements meaning:
Biomeds n=1
Hospitals/IC n>1
Epi or Public Health, each n>>1
So, Dutch balance is completely wrong.
Covid is a Complex Adaptive System with one leading principle: Law of Large Numbers: n>>>1. Thus, no real impact of the constituent elements meaning:
Biomeds n=1
Hospitals/IC n>1
Epi or Public Health, each n>>1
So, Dutch balance is completely wrong.
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No causalities;
No linearities but contagion with multiplicativity/exponential growth.
We know the very fat-tailed character of distribution, meaning models have NO function for policy.
No causalities;
No linearities but contagion with multiplicativity/exponential growth.
We know the very fat-tailed character of distribution, meaning models have NO function for policy.
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With data unreliable quality and heterogeinity, only leading indicators from benchmarking and surveillance are relevant. Point-forecasts are very high risk.
With data unreliable quality and heterogeinity, only leading indicators from benchmarking and surveillance are relevant. Point-forecasts are very high risk.
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+ We know landscaping for risk is extremely dangerous. Cabinet is continuously pressured to exactly do this. So performance is extremely weak.
No interest for investing in the fitness of this landscape, eg safe schools, ventilation, CO2, many measures of Swiss Cheese Model pm
+ We know landscaping for risk is extremely dangerous. Cabinet is continuously pressured to exactly do this. So performance is extremely weak.
No interest for investing in the fitness of this landscape, eg safe schools, ventilation, CO2, many measures of Swiss Cheese Model pm
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+ We should involve, recruit and empower people for our organisation base.
+ Knowledge Management/ICT is key to structure consistent content.
+ The Risks and Issues are contextual (Opportunities/Threats). Or even unknown; known unknowns like variants, and unknown unknowns.
+ We should involve, recruit and empower people for our organisation base.
+ Knowledge Management/ICT is key to structure consistent content.
+ The Risks and Issues are contextual (Opportunities/Threats). Or even unknown; known unknowns like variants, and unknown unknowns.
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Strategic-Issue Portfolio (encl), and our pandemic priorities are based on:
1. Risk Management.
Timing and Intensity of measures. Do not wait for better data, information.
Strategic-Issue Portfolio (encl), and our pandemic priorities are based on:
1. Risk Management.
Timing and Intensity of measures. Do not wait for better data, information.
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+ Upscaling measures early, fast, very strong ('hammer').
+ Downscaling m: slow and careful. Devastating trackrecord: five (all) times wrong.
+ Upscaling measures early, fast, very strong ('hammer').
+ Downscaling m: slow and careful. Devastating trackrecord: five (all) times wrong.
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2. Practice.
'Loose countries lose. Stringent countries win'. NL at the bottom of international rankings!
2. Practice.
'Loose countries lose. Stringent countries win'. NL at the bottom of international rankings!
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3. Science.
Dutch devastating bias: absence of evidence is evidence of evidence.
And controlled by old, closed hegemonic biomeds/OMT, shockingly false and fraudulent:
+ Herdimmunity by mass natural infection
+ Timing
+ Models
+ Airborne
+ Masks
3. Science.
Dutch devastating bias: absence of evidence is evidence of evidence.
And controlled by old, closed hegemonic biomeds/OMT, shockingly false and fraudulent:
+ Herdimmunity by mass natural infection
+ Timing
+ Models
+ Airborne
+ Masks
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+ Ventilation
+ (Super)spreading via yo-yo networks with schools, children, essential workers, transport, events, restaurants, pubs etc
+ Children
+ Unsafe schools
+ Nursing homes
Etc, etc
+ Ventilation
+ (Super)spreading via yo-yo networks with schools, children, essential workers, transport, events, restaurants, pubs etc
+ Children
+ Unsafe schools
+ Nursing homes
Etc, etc
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4. Agents
DISCIPLINES playing often weird pandemic roles with huge expert issues, not understanding pandemic principles.
While acting in dangerous old-science hegemonic social structures, like OMT, risk managers, economists etc.
4. Agents
DISCIPLINES playing often weird pandemic roles with huge expert issues, not understanding pandemic principles.
While acting in dangerous old-science hegemonic social structures, like OMT, risk managers, economists etc.
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Enormous SUBJECTIVITY is seen in science and politics, economic lobbies and healthcare settings like hospital/ICs, biomeds, thus playing shocking games.
Enormous SUBJECTIVITY is seen in science and politics, economic lobbies and healthcare settings like hospital/ICs, biomeds, thus playing shocking games.
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5. Politics
Values and Robust International Risk Management, Practice and Science is the basis of the strong knowledge position of #AlleBurgers versus the 'Machiavelli Complexes' of:
a) Govt and biomeds/OMT incl Big Pharma;
5. Politics
Values and Robust International Risk Management, Practice and Science is the basis of the strong knowledge position of #AlleBurgers versus the 'Machiavelli Complexes' of:
a) Govt and biomeds/OMT incl Big Pharma;
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b) Govt and lobbies: economy, employers' unions etc
c) International (ideological) influence of eg Great Barrington Decl. Absurd that many OMT scientists have not signed the John Snow Ethics Decl countering these damaging influences. Or worse, signed and act not accordingly
b) Govt and lobbies: economy, employers' unions etc
c) International (ideological) influence of eg Great Barrington Decl. Absurd that many OMT scientists have not signed the John Snow Ethics Decl countering these damaging influences. Or worse, signed and act not accordingly
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6. Healthcare
Select strategic pandemic issues. In particular IC controlled balancing acts with R.
Longcovid.
Etc PM.
6. Healthcare
Select strategic pandemic issues. In particular IC controlled balancing acts with R.
Longcovid.
Etc PM.
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7. Socio-economists doing a really bad job. Opening the international networks with a reliable Dutch base.
+ Thus inventarisation of new economics, in particular, aligned with complexity science to debunk economists like HerstelNL and Cabinet memos.
7. Socio-economists doing a really bad job. Opening the international networks with a reliable Dutch base.
+ Thus inventarisation of new economics, in particular, aligned with complexity science to debunk economists like HerstelNL and Cabinet memos.
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+ Health economists have hardly a pandemic role (n>>1), although measures can have enormous macro-economical impact. Cabinet is stupidly looking at the costs, while the costs are often investments with very high ROIs.
+ Health economists have hardly a pandemic role (n>>1), although measures can have enormous macro-economical impact. Cabinet is stupidly looking at the costs, while the costs are often investments with very high ROIs.
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+ Modelists, w/ rational behaviour dogmas are failing with equilibria versus shocks, thus groping in the dark. Cabinet produces weird memos
+ Devastating 'risk-based measures' have been introduced in failing pilot projects w/ enormous health, financial and political damage.
+ Modelists, w/ rational behaviour dogmas are failing with equilibria versus shocks, thus groping in the dark. Cabinet produces weird memos
+ Devastating 'risk-based measures' have been introduced in failing pilot projects w/ enormous health, financial and political damage.
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8. Legal: strengthening the network, ready to support cases.
BMJ overview is the basis.
Situation in UK, US etc. Contact with GoodLawProject, Labour UK and via US institutes.
8. Legal: strengthening the network, ready to support cases.
BMJ overview is the basis.
Situation in UK, US etc. Contact with GoodLawProject, Labour UK and via US institutes.
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"It's Not Enough to Say the Govt Has Failed. We Are Witnessing a Crime Against Humanity." (Arundhati Roy, 2021)
In NL starting via lawyers to address the issues.
"It's Not Enough to Say the Govt Has Failed. We Are Witnessing a Crime Against Humanity." (Arundhati Roy, 2021)
In NL starting via lawyers to address the issues.
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9. Media. Des/disinformation is extremely problematic.
We need short high-quality issue papers and further strategic inventarisation to address these infodemics.
9. Media. Des/disinformation is extremely problematic.
We need short high-quality issue papers and further strategic inventarisation to address these infodemics.
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The issuepapers, inventarisation of international networks, and eg relations with RedTeam, ContainmentNu, Sceptics and other (inter)national debunkers and factcheckers in order to support the issue papers and present the network.
The issuepapers, inventarisation of international networks, and eg relations with RedTeam, ContainmentNu, Sceptics and other (inter)national debunkers and factcheckers in order to support the issue papers and present the network.
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HOW:
Countervailing Power.
'Statements of Truth' based on Issue Management.
Dialogue and Enabling in a Shared Reality.
HOW:
Countervailing Power.
'Statements of Truth' based on Issue Management.
Dialogue and Enabling in a Shared Reality.
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With 1) MEANING 2) POSITIONING and 3) STRUCTURE and DEVELOPMENT
Ad 1) MEANING
+ Our Reasons WHY.
With 1) MEANING 2) POSITIONING and 3) STRUCTURE and DEVELOPMENT
Ad 1) MEANING
+ Our Reasons WHY.
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+ Our #AlleBurgers: Connection/Interactivity/Collaboration, no Rivalry.
+ Our STORY
+ Our Transcendency with our freedom to act, flexibility and adaptive learning.
+ Our #AlleBurgers: Connection/Interactivity/Collaboration, no Rivalry.
+ Our STORY
+ Our Transcendency with our freedom to act, flexibility and adaptive learning.
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Ad 2) POSITIONING
Ad 2.1) VISION, VALUES, MISSION, AMBITION
STOP! it's enough!
We see the devastating ethical consequences of today's politics. The huge tensions in society. The marginalised people. The freedomers.
Ad 2) POSITIONING
Ad 2.1) VISION, VALUES, MISSION, AMBITION
STOP! it's enough!
We see the devastating ethical consequences of today's politics. The huge tensions in society. The marginalised people. The freedomers.
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Impact is needed from silent majority and civil society/NGOs.
We can change with reflexivity, relationability and reciprocity. No rivalry. Just cooperation.
We seek the ultimate truth. And go for it.
Impact is needed from silent majority and civil society/NGOs.
We can change with reflexivity, relationability and reciprocity. No rivalry. Just cooperation.
We seek the ultimate truth. And go for it.
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Ad 2.2) STRATEGY
Our choices. #AlleBurgers can make a difference on Covid.
Our force is connection, and to include and involve everyone.
Ad 2.2) STRATEGY
Our choices. #AlleBurgers can make a difference on Covid.
Our force is connection, and to include and involve everyone.
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Ad 2.3) TARGETS
Fitness for purpose, adaptive.
Ad 3) STRUCTURE and DEVELOPMENT
Backed by the best Global Risk Management-, Practice- and Science- networks with authorative (inter)national contacts.
We are currently developing
Ad 2.3) TARGETS
Fitness for purpose, adaptive.
Ad 3) STRUCTURE and DEVELOPMENT
Backed by the best Global Risk Management-, Practice- and Science- networks with authorative (inter)national contacts.
We are currently developing
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Ad 3.1) The ORGANISATION and GOVERNANCE
('Lean with Respect for All'):
Cooperative, Rhinelandish structure?
Members
Teams Functional
Teams Projects cf Issue Management System and Risk Portfolio;
Ad 3.1) The ORGANISATION and GOVERNANCE
('Lean with Respect for All'):
Cooperative, Rhinelandish structure?
Members
Teams Functional
Teams Projects cf Issue Management System and Risk Portfolio;
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1) Risk, based on probability of occurrence times impact. Looking for mitigating factors eg preventitive measures and precautionary measures.
2) Other issues, portfolio-prioritised by urgency and impact
1) Risk, based on probability of occurrence times impact. Looking for mitigating factors eg preventitive measures and precautionary measures.
2) Other issues, portfolio-prioritised by urgency and impact
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Board of Directors incl 'figurehead', Supervisory Board
Advisory Board: National/International
Board of Directors incl 'figurehead', Supervisory Board
Advisory Board: National/International
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Ad 3.2) The CONTENT, TACTICS/OPERATIONS:
Positioning with:
+ Issue Management Papers for Statements, Press Releases, Interviews with 'our' (intern)national authorative experts
Ad 3.2) The CONTENT, TACTICS/OPERATIONS:
Positioning with:
+ Issue Management Papers for Statements, Press Releases, Interviews with 'our' (intern)national authorative experts
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+ Big petitions via partners/NGOs etc
+ Legal actions
+ Marketing communications, PR, PA, etc
+ Big petitions via partners/NGOs etc
+ Legal actions
+ Marketing communications, PR, PA, etc
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Ad 3.3) DIRECTIONS/GROWTH:
Knowing the Phases of the Great Global Crises ...:
1. Knowing the complexity and the agents: the good, the bad and the ugly.
2. Causalities are not there!
Ad 3.3) DIRECTIONS/GROWTH:
Knowing the Phases of the Great Global Crises ...:
1. Knowing the complexity and the agents: the good, the bad and the ugly.
2. Causalities are not there!
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3. Confidence lost.
4. Why are the Netherlands such fools?
5. Are we all suckers?
6. 'Let it Rip'.
7. Adventures of 'Let it Rip' and 'Muddling Through'.
8. Can we escape from ruin risk?
3. Confidence lost.
4. Why are the Netherlands such fools?
5. Are we all suckers?
6. 'Let it Rip'.
7. Adventures of 'Let it Rip' and 'Muddling Through'.
8. Can we escape from ruin risk?
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9. All aspects of revenge.
10. The concert of guilt.
11. Any inspiration for hope or hopium?
12. Tragedies?
13. Please help us! Why should citizens pay for this, years on end?
9. All aspects of revenge.
10. The concert of guilt.
11. Any inspiration for hope or hopium?
12. Tragedies?
13. Please help us! Why should citizens pay for this, years on end?
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... we should make us strong, robust with...
International cooperations and global alliances, and cross-fertilisation with surrounding countries in particular, and with Europe. The virus is not aware of borders. Govts don't act in concert. We pay the price, as ever...
... we should make us strong, robust with...
International cooperations and global alliances, and cross-fertilisation with surrounding countries in particular, and with Europe. The virus is not aware of borders. Govts don't act in concert. We pay the price, as ever...
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So we cooperate with the strongest international partners, eg:
+ Global Citizens
+ InternationalSage Science
+ European Commission, Von der Leyen
+ US CovidActionGroup (Yaneer Bar-Yam
So we cooperate with the strongest international partners, eg:
+ Global Citizens
+ InternationalSage Science
+ European Commission, Von der Leyen
+ US CovidActionGroup (Yaneer Bar-Yam
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+ GER, UK, BE, Nordic Countries; AlltheCitizens and the like organisations.
+ PM Other International Covid organisations like ZeroCovidAlliance, ContainmentNow etc
+ PM National cooperation and alliances:
Covid organisations like RedTeam, VoorWeinigCovid, ContainmentNu
+ GER, UK, BE, Nordic Countries; AlltheCitizens and the like organisations.
+ PM Other International Covid organisations like ZeroCovidAlliance, ContainmentNow etc
+ PM National cooperation and alliances:
Covid organisations like RedTeam, VoorWeinigCovid, ContainmentNu
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[New Issue 1. Climate as it has exactly the same system-issues' dynamics and organisations:
+ Global Citizens
+ InternationalSage Science
+ European Commission Von der Leyen
+ In cooperation with NGOs ]
[New Issue 1. Climate as it has exactly the same system-issues' dynamics and organisations:
+ Global Citizens
+ InternationalSage Science
+ European Commission Von der Leyen
+ In cooperation with NGOs ]
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[New Issue 2. Finance as it has exactly the same system-issues' dynamics, however many organisations.]
Enclosure: PROGRESS and EVALUATION.
[New Issue 2. Finance as it has exactly the same system-issues' dynamics, however many organisations.]
Enclosure: PROGRESS and EVALUATION.
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PROGRESS 1 08.22.21
1) Teams Standing Organisation
a) Organisation and development: 2.
a. 1) Recruitment Teams and Projects. See under a) and b).
PROGRESS 1 08.22.21
1) Teams Standing Organisation
a) Organisation and development: 2.
a. 1) Recruitment Teams and Projects. See under a) and b).
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a. 2) International development:
Global/WHO, European EC/ECDC.
US, UK, BE, GER, Nordic. Basically country contacts are ok. Now formalising.
a. 2) International development:
Global/WHO, European EC/ECDC.
US, UK, BE, GER, Nordic. Basically country contacts are ok. Now formalising.
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a. 3) Governance:
We are thinking of a cooperative structure. Discussing this with international partners and advisors.
Boegbeeld op het oog. Aankomende week inventariseren. Zie structuur in memo. Suggesties welkom.
a. 3) Governance:
We are thinking of a cooperative structure. Discussing this with international partners and advisors.
Boegbeeld op het oog. Aankomende week inventariseren. Zie structuur in memo. Suggesties welkom.
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a. 4) New Issue Development (see list)
a. 5) Plan/Pitch PS/CindydN obv plan.
Evt video. In gesprek.
b) Knowledge Management/ICT 2+
alleburgers.nl + hosting bv wordpress (opensource) via Bass/Colinda, prachtig!
Ook email/twitteraccount via Nancy @AlleBurgers claim!
a. 4) New Issue Development (see list)
a. 5) Plan/Pitch PS/CindydN obv plan.
Evt video. In gesprek.
b) Knowledge Management/ICT 2+
alleburgers.nl + hosting bv wordpress (opensource) via Bass/Colinda, prachtig!
Ook email/twitteraccount via Nancy @AlleBurgers claim!
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c) Communications, PR, PA, multimedia/press. We gaan structureren. Goede aanmeldingen. Na 1e discussies plan gaan we verder.
Gesprekken oa met #VoorWeinigCovid ea
d) Finance. Ideeën vergaren. Volgende week gesprekken met adviseurs.
c) Communications, PR, PA, multimedia/press. We gaan structureren. Goede aanmeldingen. Na 1e discussies plan gaan we verder.
Gesprekken oa met #VoorWeinigCovid ea
d) Finance. Ideeën vergaren. Volgende week gesprekken met adviseurs.
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+ HR, Recruitment. Aanmeldingen lopen goed. Gaat veelal via mij. Vraag in je netwerk naar goede en enthousiaste mensen met het hart op de goede plaats.
+ HR, Recruitment. Aanmeldingen lopen goed. Gaat veelal via mij. Vraag in je netwerk naar goede en enthousiaste mensen met het hart op de goede plaats.
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2) Functional Teams:
Subj inschatting van opbouw: +, ++, +++
+ Risk management +
+ Philosophy, ethics +
+ Data and Analysis, models +++
+ (International) Des/Disinformation and debunking, lobbies ++
2) Functional Teams:
Subj inschatting van opbouw: +, ++, +++
+ Risk management +
+ Philosophy, ethics +
+ Data and Analysis, models +++
+ (International) Des/Disinformation and debunking, lobbies ++
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+ Biomed, vaxx ++
+ Epidemiology +
+ Public Health pm
+ Education 0
+ Legal +
+ Economy (macro, health) +
Etc
+ Biomed, vaxx ++
+ Epidemiology +
+ Public Health pm
+ Education 0
+ Legal +
+ Economy (macro, health) +
Etc
9\
3) Organisation Projects, cf Issue Management Structuur (encl)
Starting premiums for best practices.
+ Quick scan, leading indicators, benchmark and country covid rating system (PS), key info ++?
+ Children, education +?
3) Organisation Projects, cf Issue Management Structuur (encl)
Starting premiums for best practices.
+ Quick scan, leading indicators, benchmark and country covid rating system (PS), key info ++?
+ Children, education +?
10\
+ ZeroCovid +++?
+ Vulnerables +?
+ Freedom, GBD. ++
+ Economy ++
+ Masks ++?
+ Ventilation +?
+ Herdimmunity ++?
+ Quick Testing 0?
Etc. svp voorstellen. Zal deze week portfolio prioritiseren.
+ ZeroCovid +++?
+ Vulnerables +?
+ Freedom, GBD. ++
+ Economy ++
+ Masks ++?
+ Ventilation +?
+ Herdimmunity ++?
+ Quick Testing 0?
Etc. svp voorstellen. Zal deze week portfolio prioritiseren.
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Structuur.
1\ Doc Issue Management System
VOORBEELD/CONCEPT
CHILDREN SCHOOLREOPENINGS +++
Priority +++
Names PS
Structuur.
1\ Doc Issue Management System
VOORBEELD/CONCEPT
CHILDREN SCHOOLREOPENINGS +++
Priority +++
Names PS
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Issue: naam
Experts #AB: names
Experts ZZ: names
Realisation/Update: data
Content providers: sources
Content: structure pm
Statement #AlleBurgers
Counter statement XY:
Counter Statement #AlleBurgers
Issue: naam
Experts #AB: names
Experts ZZ: names
Realisation/Update: data
Content providers: sources
Content: structure pm
Statement #AlleBurgers
Counter statement XY:
Counter Statement #AlleBurgers
Cc1
@robert_ilbrink @MHendriksma @bassjobsen @colindahart @Saskia_Furdytje @Sabje1979 @CiNNeR_ @anatwitje @ChapmanSysy @nvermaire @CMDR_drsYell @SDicht @roelgrif @falsel_net @tverbeiren @o0_erina_0o @claud0000000 @RamonaHoogeveen @renekorff
@robert_ilbrink @MHendriksma @bassjobsen @colindahart @Saskia_Furdytje @Sabje1979 @CiNNeR_ @anatwitje @ChapmanSysy @nvermaire @CMDR_drsYell @SDicht @roelgrif @falsel_net @tverbeiren @o0_erina_0o @claud0000000 @RamonaHoogeveen @renekorff
Cc2
@jspitters @CMDR_drsYell @QuantumAspect @Chr1stenJohn @gjludden @sylviawnx @colindahart @vanbinnenblauw @El_Bx @Wimpelientje @RogerGustafsso2 @StefSimanowitz
@RengervandenH @valkenburg_an @janssenjacob @yaneerbaryam @BertZwart1 @Jasper_Nuyens @JohnArts15 @Ayla1057
@jspitters @CMDR_drsYell @QuantumAspect @Chr1stenJohn @gjludden @sylviawnx @colindahart @vanbinnenblauw @El_Bx @Wimpelientje @RogerGustafsso2 @StefSimanowitz
@RengervandenH @valkenburg_an @janssenjacob @yaneerbaryam @BertZwart1 @Jasper_Nuyens @JohnArts15 @Ayla1057
2
@C19RedTeam @ContainmentNu @DrZemouri @finhstamsterdam
@TvandeIJsberg @ZoidBender @MissVth @hildevdme @CarijnB @MisterBlok @Vickyvdtogt @saraschlijper @Virtual_Birding @notmobydick @LongNetherlands @pjvanerp @gertvdijk1 @EllesvanVelzen @mdradvies @DanielTuijnman @pimjoosten
@C19RedTeam @ContainmentNu @DrZemouri @finhstamsterdam
@TvandeIJsberg @ZoidBender @MissVth @hildevdme @CarijnB @MisterBlok @Vickyvdtogt @saraschlijper @Virtual_Birding @notmobydick @LongNetherlands @pjvanerp @gertvdijk1 @EllesvanVelzen @mdradvies @DanielTuijnman @pimjoosten
FY2
@Amanda_Stoel @Honcoek
@rogerramakers @macharoesink @GerikeRitsema
@mom_in_NL @Candle4C @VeldhuisMarjet
@Ingebor54754783 @Gervanderveen @RobdeVriesF89 @JMK_fan @SiccoVanHoegee @Compier_MD @marijkebergkamp @1philosophizer
@Amanda_Stoel @Honcoek
@rogerramakers @macharoesink @GerikeRitsema
@mom_in_NL @Candle4C @VeldhuisMarjet
@Ingebor54754783 @Gervanderveen @RobdeVriesF89 @JMK_fan @SiccoVanHoegee @Compier_MD @marijkebergkamp @1philosophizer
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