Hi @Guardian@guardianeco this is a straw man argument, there never was this battle of the generations your article implies. Yes, you might supposedly be reporting research, but you present it uncritically. It involves classic cherry-picking. theguardian.com/environment/20…
The conflict is between certain members of the older generation i.e. the powerful, very wealthy, heads of vested interests, the 1% or a lots less, who obstruct action to address the climate and ecological crisis, because it is contrary to their vested interest.
By their very nature, the extremely wealthy, the powerful, the very influential in terms of the positions they hold, are usually older. Usually someone is not in that position until at least into their late 30s and usually much older.
Power, and wealth tend to be accumulated over time. Even if someone inherits wealth, it rarely happens when they are young, and if they do, often some sort of trust control it at first. It takes time to climb the career ladder to get to the top.
The 1% (or in reality more like the 0.01% or less) are called that, because 99% or more are not part of them. Forget the actual line, because whether it's 10%, 3%, 1% or 0.01% it is a fraction of the whole.
To conclude, the actual divide is between the powerful and influential and the rest of the public, not old and young.
Yes, there is a problem in that a significant proportion of the older generation keep voting for political leaders who are in the pockets of vested interests. But the reasons for this are complex and the public have a limited ability to control this with one vote every 4-5 years.
In reality, people cannot control this with one vote for scores of complex issues, when they are not really offered proper alternatives, and the candidates both parties and people offered to the public are very limited, with an agenda controlled largely by the media.
People feel powerless. Remember since the 1992 Rio Earth Summit older people have largely being voting for politicians who have been pledging to address the climate and ecological crisis. It's not their fault the politicians haven't done what they pledged.
The reason people feel powerless is that they've tried voting for the various alternatives, all who largely promise to address the climate and ecological crisis, and they to doing nothing at all.
So yes it is all a complete mess. But it is largely a mess because media like yourself fail to properly hold those in power to account, and yes, you pushed the falsehood for years, that 2C of warming was safe. threadreaderapp.com/thread/1413564…
Stop trying to bamboozle people with straw man misrepresentation of the facts. Yes, this is a myth, but it is your and the other media's myth, not a public myth.
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I want to try and define what I mean by "ecological ignorance".
It appears all arguments that we can carry on with business as usual, adapt to climate breakdown and merely use technology to overcome the climate crisis, are based on "ecological ignorance".
All arguments that the climate and ecological crisis, is not an actual crisis, and that we can carry on with business as usual, appear to have one thing in common - "profound ecological ignorance". Both the arguments, and those using them, appear to be ecologically ignorant.
What I mean by this is that those using these arguments, appear to have no knowledge at all of how ecosystems function and how they sustain us. They seem to be unaware that this knowledge even exists. It is in fact, the classic Dunning-Kruger Effect.
I entirely support the position of @ClimateHuman as spelled out in both his excellent article and thread here.
Essentially what I mean, is I support both his criticism of "net zero by 2050" being pursued by most governments, and the need for an emergency response.
This Net Zero by 2050 framing being pursued by governments around the world relies on promises action will be taken in the distant future, rather than now, and the invention of magical technology, which doesn't yet exist, and which might never exist.
Given we have known how to address the climate crisis for over 30 years, with simple mitigation i.e. just phasing out the burning and extraction of fossil fuels, it appears to be dangerous and irrational for us to rely magical technological fixes, that don't exist.
This story merely confirms that the UK government is not actually even genuine, let alone serious about the climate and ecological crisis. Boris Johnson's government are merely posturing and pretending to be concerned in a PR exercise. theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/s…
Boris Johnson's former climate envoy to COP26 said this about Boris Johnson:
“He has admitted to me he doesn’t really understand it [climate change] – he doesn’t really get it, I think is what he said.” independent.co.uk/news/uk/politi…
This is all very believable considering Johnson's utterings on the climate crisis throughout his political career and the lack of any credible plan to address the climate and ecological emergency, which appears to be little more than a few token gestures. forbes.com/sites/davekeat…
Pollution is obviously something gone wrong. Yes, it can be an accident, sometimes the effect of pollution or a pollutant is not realised until later.
However, in an honest system, pollution would be immediately recognised as a problem, and the government, would act.
If a government allows pollution to continue, when it has an obvious deleterious effect on human health or the natural environment. Especially if the government actively participates in concealing the problem, covering it up - IT IS A CLEAR INDICATOR THE GOVERNMENT IS CORRUPT.
I'm leading a Late Summer Walk on Fenns and Whixall Moss NNR on this Saturday 11 September. There are still places available, and there are 3 other events at the same time. It is advertised on @ShropsWildlife Events page. shropshirewildlifetrust.org.uk/events/summer-…
The Late Summer Walk is a general walk to look at the transition from late summer to autumn. We will be going from Morris's Bridge Car Park, Whixall out to the new viewing platform, the Mammoth Tower, and then out to the old Peat Works.
Things we will probably see are high summer dragonflies like Common Hawkers, Black Darters along with Brimstone butterflies. It's a transition period between the summer visitor birds, gathering to leave and ducks and waders returning to the Moss in numbers.
One of the huge problems with the climate and ecological crisis, is the vast majority of people, don't really understand what it means at all. Those who do understand the problem, often don't get how little most people really grasp the problem.
A very long time ago, I realised the real problem here was one of perception. One of the huge and misleading myths of our culture is that everyone sees things in a similar way, just some don't understand it as well as other people do.
This whole idea that people broadly see things in the same way, and it is just the degree of understanding, which varies is profoundly mistaken. It's not that some people just don't quite get it, but a lot have profoundly false views about the world we live in.