New: Focus back on agenda — and Manchin-Sanders divide has Dems uncertain if it can be resolved
The issue came up on a call with Biden, who was asked about having the two sit down together. Biden’s response: That would be like “homicide,” per sources cnn.com/2021/10/07/pol…
Biden told members this week that he has spent many hours with Manchin/Sinema "and they don't move," two sources said. Biden even contended that Sinema didn't always return calls from the White House, the sources added.
“Off the charts," one Democratic senator told me on Thursday when asked about the caucus' frustration with Manchin, contending many senators privately gripe that the West Virginia Democrat takes his public stands for "publicity" reasons.
At lunch today and also on Thursday, Dems discussed changes to rules to let debt ceiling hike advance by simple majority. Manchin and Sinema didn’t address caucus. Manchin told me later: “We're not going to default.” How it ends up remains to be seen. cnn.com/2021/10/05/pol…
Democrats are roundly opposed to using reconcilation to raise the debt ceiling, even as Manchin has spoken in favor of it. And there was discussion about Biden using 14th Amendment to raise debt ceiling, an issue untested in court. w/@FoxReports
GOP saying if Dems do reconcilation, they would let the process move quicker. “I think there are ways you could expedite the reconciliation and do it at 51 under that procedure. They say it’s too unwieldy, takes too much time. Well, that can always be addressed though agreement”
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer just told me “can’t do it” when asked if the budget reconcilation process is on the table to raise the debt ceiling by the Oct. 18 deadline.
“Reconcilation is very risky, risking default and risking downgrade. Can’t do it,” he said
Here are the options for raising debt limit: •An agreement to set the vote to suspend debt limit at a 51-vote threshold, but Republicans are objecting to that. (Any one senator can force a 60-vote threshold)
•Getting 60 votes to overcome a filibuster. But that would require 10 GOP votes, which isn’t happening
•Democrats using nuclear option to change filibuster rules to allow debt ceiling hike to advance with 51 votes. Manchin rejects this, so Dems don’t have the votes to do it
Manchin just told me that Hyde Amendment is a “red line” in talks over social safety net expansion. Has little appetite to go over $1.5T. And suggests openness to reconcilation to raise the debt limit, which Dem leaders resist
Asked about Dem leaders ruling out using reconcilation to raise the debt ceiling, Manchin said: “Well they shouldn’t rule out anything - we just can’t let the debt ceiling lapse.”
But he pushed back on the idea of gutting the filibuster to do that. “Forget the filibuster, Ok? We can prevent default, we really can prevent it. And there’s a way to do that, and there’s a couple other tools we have that we can use.”
Sanders: “It is an absurd way to do business, to be negotiating a multi trillion dollar bill a few minutes before a major vote with virtually nobody knowing what's going on. That's unacceptable.”
“And I think what has got to happen is that tonight, the bipartisan infrastructure bill must be defeated. And we can the. sit down and work out a way to pass both pieces of legislation.”
Moderate Democrats met with House Dem leaders in Pelosi's office for an hour and 15 minutes, and afterward they were was high expectation the vote on the Senate's infrastructure bill would still occur on Monday.
"I'm bringing the bill to the floor on Monday," Hoyer told us
Hoyer also told me Pelosi is "working towards" getting the party's reconciliation bill on the floor by next week, even as there are major differences within their party to resolve. "Both bills are going to pass," he said confidently.
"I'm expecting a vote on Monday, yeah," said Rep. Ed Case, a Blue Dog Democrat, said of the infrastructure bill. Asked about the reconciliation bill, Case said: "We're just trying to keep a lot of trains on the same track," Case said. "That's what's our commitment is to do.”