Yes and that's why saying the only important goal of vaccines is to prevent hospitalizations and deaths is counterproductive. That protection isn't 100%, so you need the reduction in transmission (herd-ish immunity) that protection from cases provides, and the higher the better
Just like everything else in this pandemic, we need all the help we can get. Trying to turn away some good things like case protection to "simplify" the message just complicates it, because then you end up twisting facts into logical pretzels
But not this. R0>5 for Delta means R0=1 with 80% vaccination only if VE = 100% against transmission, and it's not. VE against cases is only ~85%, if boosted, on average.
You need 100% vaccination to take off the masks, especially indoors in the winter
Turns out there were 2 studies last week comparing J&J + J&J booster to J&J + Pfizer booster! One was NIH, as most know. The other is from Singapore and it looks like a solid study too.
Most interesting: they looked at T cells too, not just antibodies!
We see again that J&J+Pfizer gave higher antibody levels and neutralizing activity than J&J+J&J, and similar to Pfizer+Pfizer. Note wide range of interdose intervals (43-71d for J&J+J&J, 11-180d for J&J+Pfizer) but Ab levels actually quite tight.
While antibodies are the first line of defense and what block you getting infected, it's essential to have T cells for avoiding late complicatinos. It's widely proposed that the Ad vaccine of J&J may elicit more T cells.
I had some hope FDA might do this, after Dr. Marks' said in Friday's VRBPAC meeting that they'd like to know what info was needed to approve mixed boosters, and some VRBPAC members replied that the "Mix and Match Booster Trial" results were clear enough
I'd learned from repeated lack of action not to hope too much. Gathering info on the benefits of heterologous boosts for #JnJers and seeing it tossed aside for various nonreasons made me feel like Sisyphus rolling a stone
So this news is like Sisyphus finally cresting the hill
Note J&J starting at 6x lower abs than Pfizer and then boosted 5x by a 2nd J&J dose means J&J x2 gets you to where Pfizer "fully immunized" people were to begin with. That pretty much proves what many of us have been saying: J&J should have gone for a 2-dose vax to begin with.
Also a J&J booster is also not as effective in raising antibodies for Pfizer and Moderna recipients as a Moderna booster.
The earlier Oxford study didn't go past 3 mo, so we didn't get a good idea of what might happen at 6 mo. Error bars widened in both directions so it looked pretty straight in the 0-3mo time window.
Another interesting mention: if boosters for J&J are authorized only after 6mo, J&J can continue to market the vaccine as 1-shot.
Not sure where that policy came from (maybe related to some guidance regarding vaccine durability for EUA application?)
But I've been wondering what the proper "statute of limitations" is for vaccines. That is, how long until you don't have to consider which other vaccines you are getting for that antigen?
Gottlieb on CDC:
"Couldn't mount the logistical response we needed"
"It just wasn't in the capacity or ethos"
"Backward looking mindset"
"Uncomfortable surfacing information that's partially predictive"
"Uses their own bespoke datasets"
Listen from 1:00
I usually take a pass on anything labelled WSJ editorial, but this discussion avoids politics and is just about how to better respond to new pandemics.
Essentially Gottlieb confirms my impression of CDC: a plodding nontransparent organization that prefers to tabulate their own data over more abundant information in the public sphere, and doesn't have the will or ability to rapidly formulate preventive policy