Following in from @karamballes review of the JVCI meeting in May prior to the MHRA authorisation of the Pfizer vaccine for over 11 yr olds on June 4th.
Let’s have a look at child cases just to the beginning of October (when they have continued to soar (h/t @Dr_D_Robertson )
Let’s have a look at child cases just to the beginning of October (when they have continued to soar (h/t @Dr_D_Robertson )
Or, based on ONS surveillance from September by which time all adults had been offered vaccination and most if not all had time to be double jabbed .
The horizontal axis. Young on left. Old in the right.
Percentage infected on vertical axis. H/t @PaulMainwood
The horizontal axis. Young on left. Old in the right.
Percentage infected on vertical axis. H/t @PaulMainwood
Yet it seems the JVCI made its decision in May in part on the basis that “all adults will be vaccinated and there is a low risk of child to child transmission. Staff and parents will be protected”
Look back again at those charts and think again.
Look back again at those charts and think again.
Child cases have continued to soar. And soar. And their parents’ age groups also bulging albeit lower.
And the ONS surveillance of occupation has finally conceded that educational occupations are at greater risk.
And the ONS surveillance of occupation has finally conceded that educational occupations are at greater risk.
One wonders how many children left to infect which, looking at this record in the minutes “allowing the virus to circulate amongst children..could provide broader immunity to the children AND BOOST IMMUNITY IN ADULTS” appears to have been the plan.
Not sure how infecting kids boosts immunity in adults.
Not sure of the ethics of infecting kids TO boost immunity in adults even if it worked
But others are working on these minutes and the surprising omissions of factors taken into account.
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Not sure of the ethics of infecting kids TO boost immunity in adults even if it worked
But others are working on these minutes and the surprising omissions of factors taken into account.
app.box.com/s/iddfb4ppwkmt…
Like sickness
Hospitalisations short of ICU admissions
Disruption to education
Increased risk of sickness, hospitalisations and deaths of parents and grandparents and other key people on whom the kids rely for care and personal development.
Hospitalisations short of ICU admissions
Disruption to education
Increased risk of sickness, hospitalisations and deaths of parents and grandparents and other key people on whom the kids rely for care and personal development.
And refusing to accept that kids can drive infection in the wider community especially when mixing together at close quarters in school.
And that weird denominator. The whole population, not the infected child population
Here is @karamballes thread on those minutes
And that weird denominator. The whole population, not the infected child population
Here is @karamballes thread on those minutes
https://twitter.com/karamballes/status/1454235882400145414
I know there will be more in depth analysis on those and the surprising (to put it kindly) basis and underlying assumptions on which decisions not to vaccinate 12 years up kids in the coming days were made by the JVCI despite authorisation by the MHRA on 4th June 2021.
The JVCI had a meeting on 10th June 2021.
So 6 days AFTER the MHRA authorisation of Pfizer for 12-15yr olds (16 + 17s were authorised in the original adult MHRA authorisation in December 2020 - but not by the JVCI).
So 6 days AFTER the MHRA authorisation of Pfizer for 12-15yr olds (16 + 17s were authorised in the original adult MHRA authorisation in December 2020 - but not by the JVCI).
Did they go back and think again about their underlying assumptions? Did they heck.
No Siree. They stuck to their guns and turned their attention to a sub group of children.
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No Siree. They stuck to their guns and turned their attention to a sub group of children.
app.box.com/s/iddfb4ppwkmt…
The clinically extremely vulnerable ..maybe vaccination could be “justified” for them?
Not to privatise them amongst 12yrs up generally.
To LIMIT vaccinations to them.
And there is that weird mortality denominator in point 12.
2 per million across the population.
Not to privatise them amongst 12yrs up generally.
To LIMIT vaccinations to them.
And there is that weird mortality denominator in point 12.
2 per million across the population.
Not a denominator based on the known infected child population. Or the estimated infected child population at the time (ONS data)
Or the known hospitalised child population at the time.
Indeed the numbers of children by then hospitalised was not specified.
Or the known hospitalised child population at the time.
Indeed the numbers of children by then hospitalised was not specified.
JUST England 🏴
JUST to 15th October 2021 (remembering the 16-17 yr old vaccination programme starting in August, altho’ tardy had been well under way by then)
10,112 hospitalisations and have risen since. Now exceeds 10.5k
More in the U.K.
JUST to 15th October 2021 (remembering the 16-17 yr old vaccination programme starting in August, altho’ tardy had been well under way by then)
10,112 hospitalisations and have risen since. Now exceeds 10.5k
More in the U.K.
https://twitter.com/jneill/status/1449038436397113357
Just looking at the really serious end of kids Covid infections.
Not even all Covid Kid ICU admissions.
Just those for PIMS-TS that tends to present weeks after infection (bear that in mind when looking at the scale of infections this month. PIMS still to come)
Not even all Covid Kid ICU admissions.
Just those for PIMS-TS that tends to present weeks after infection (bear that in mind when looking at the scale of infections this month. PIMS still to come)
4% of 10,500 England alone is 420 kids with the most severe form of Covid.
Most do not have comorbidities
Then there are all those other kids who do have comorbidities.
I mean. They are worth giving them their very best chance?
I hope that is unquestionable?
It is, isn’t it?
Most do not have comorbidities
Then there are all those other kids who do have comorbidities.
I mean. They are worth giving them their very best chance?
I hope that is unquestionable?
It is, isn’t it?
There have been at least 101 kids who have died with Covid in the U.K.
Some with comorbidities but who still had the capacity for full and happy lives ahead of them.
And kids without comorbities. All had their entire lives ahead of them.
Instead abruptly ended.
Some with comorbidities but who still had the capacity for full and happy lives ahead of them.
And kids without comorbities. All had their entire lives ahead of them.
Instead abruptly ended.
So the numbers of dead kids may be much smaller than the elderly who also had their lives prematurely ended. But the scale of loss to these kids (and their parents, bothers, sisters, grandparents) is unimaginable.
As @JHowardBrainMD says, it should not need saying, but apparently it does.
They are not just statistics. They are vulnerable young people with hopes for the future and stories to tell.
And @JHowardBrainMD goes on to tell some of them briefly here in this brilliant blog.
They are not just statistics. They are vulnerable young people with hopes for the future and stories to tell.
And @JHowardBrainMD goes on to tell some of them briefly here in this brilliant blog.
https://twitter.com/fascinatorfun/status/1448818436042379266
I find it particularly poignant that kids who already started off life with disadvantages whether through disability, poverty or a disadvantaged minority are those who have suffered most.
I cannot think that any decent person would think that remotely OK.
I cannot think that any decent person would think that remotely OK.
Another point re child hospitalisations by age band, ICU admissions and PIMS should not have to be calculated by guessing from fragmented bits of information provided months later.
Maybe PIMS child admissions are no longer 4%.
Who knows?
Where’s the current official data?
Maybe PIMS child admissions are no longer 4%.
Who knows?
Where’s the current official data?
I’ve been having a productive chat with @julesmchamish who has worked her magic on a hospitalisation of children chart so we can have a sense how much tardy vaccination, negligent school Covid management & our freedoms are costing children just in terms of hospital admissions
Look at this chart
In all of 2020 there were 3,250 child Covid admissions
Already in 2021 we are x 2.2 times that with 7457 to 27-10-21
And the bulk of those have been since July. 4587.
1.4 times the entirety of 2020.
And 1.6 times the first 6 months of 2021.
Is that OK?
In all of 2020 there were 3,250 child Covid admissions
Already in 2021 we are x 2.2 times that with 7457 to 27-10-21
And the bulk of those have been since July. 4587.
1.4 times the entirety of 2020.
And 1.6 times the first 6 months of 2021.
Is that OK?
https://twitter.com/julesmchamish/status/1454458151122649094
To be clear. This is not all U.K.
Just England.
We have to add hospitalisations of children in Scotland, Wales and NI to this.
Just England.
We have to add hospitalisations of children in Scotland, Wales and NI to this.
This is a bit eye watering.
More cases in ONE MONTH in October 2021 in 0-19yr olds than in all of 2020.
OK. So testing was v limited in the first few months of 2020 (tho’ you’d never think so to hear Hancock & Johnson’s FANTASTIC (literally) claims from April on.
More cases in ONE MONTH in October 2021 in 0-19yr olds than in all of 2020.
OK. So testing was v limited in the first few months of 2020 (tho’ you’d never think so to hear Hancock & Johnson’s FANTASTIC (literally) claims from April on.
https://twitter.com/julesmchamish/status/1454471726100852738
Today @JHowardBrainMD has seen the JVCI minutes and “reasoning” and responds with robust criticism.
https://twitter.com/fascinatorfun/status/1454748034437468160
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