Mark, we know that vaccine immunity crashes to 40-50 percent 6-8 months after taking it which is why boosters are needed. We don’t know that natural immunity drops this low even after 12 months. The latest CDC study includes people infected a half year ago and NI is still 89.6%.
Mark is a waste of time on this: I show him that in Oklahoma
A) vaccine immunity went from being 9 times better than natural immunity to only 2 times better, and
B) Natural Immunity in Oklahoma is in the high 90% range.
Yet he answers “operative word being better.”
The above data showing the vaccine working in the high 90% includes recently-vaccinated people because we know from other studies that after 6-8 months immunity crashes. Mark is a vaccine fanatic who refuses to accept the data of natural immunity’s relavance and durability.
Folks, Oklahoma data (which includes the recently-vaxxed among whom it’s no news that they have immunity), has 1.6% infections among the vexed and 3.2% among the previously/ infected.
Instead of saying “wow,
natural immunity is THAT high?” Cuban says ha, vaccines are better.
This is worse than I thought: Cuban posted a chart showing natural immunity being high but he didn’t notice. When I pointed it out, he first said vaccine is still better (marginal of course). Then he makes up a notion that the chart does not count dead people. When I challenge
him to this claim, he says ‘well, 10K people in OK died with Coronavirus since the start of the year; add those to your calculations.’
HELLO? The chart run May-Sep, why should we add earlier data and why count deaths extra when the dead are already in the infection column?
Cuban is a science-denying vaccine fanatic! I worked off of a state chart that he posted but insted of looking at the data he claims the date isn’t complete and that we need to add more people and more months (but only on the reinfection side; not breakthroughs.
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I read the latest study by the CDC of the difference between natural immunity (NI) vs immunity through a vaccine. (ITV).
For starters, most news about this are blatant lies to just misleading. But I am not going to debunk it all. Ill present a few points. cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/7…
First, the time frame of the study is 90 to 179 days after vaccination which is month 4 through 6 which is flawed because boosters are needed only at various points after this time frame, so what’s the news that the vaccines work at day 90-179? Show us numbers of post day 180.
Secondly, the numbers yelling how much better immunity through vaccine (ITV) is versus natural immunity (NI) are mostly marginal. For example, before Delta, 8.4% previously infected people tested positive again for Coronavirus versus only 1.6% among vaccinated people.
“We found that vaccinated people can contract and pass on infection within households, including to vaccinated household members," Dr Anika Singanayagam, co-lead author of the study, said.
“The study, which had 621 participants, found that of the 205 household contacts of people with Delta Covid-19 infection, 38% of household contacts who were unvaccinated went on to test positive, compared with 25% of vaccinated contacts.”
25% vs 38%
Study from Imperial College: VACCINATED people who were infected with COVID—19, infected 25% vaccinated household members and 38% unvaccinated members.
Basically: Vaccinated people can be infected; can spread it and the spread to unvaccinated isn’t much worse than to vaccinated.
Hi @AVindman. I am not sure why @BretBaier’s colleague @TuckerCarlson gets you so enraged regarding his film promo. There are certain FACTS surrounding that day that are not yet addressed so hopefully @brithume’s colleague does it. Shutting down conversation on it shows weakness.
In the early months of the Russia hoax against Trump, only people on the fringe knew that it is is a political operation.
At this point, plenty people know it.
Many facts around Jan 6th are not yet broadly known; including the role of the Feds to instigate chaos. @guypbenson
Chief Judge of the DC District Court says fiery rhetoric by the DOJ mixed with clown charges leaves the public confused if Jan 6th was “a petty offense of trespassing with some disorderliness, or shocking criminal conduct that represented a grave threat to our democratic norms.”
Moderna says their COVID-19 vaccine may need to be taken yearly which means this vaccine is not like Polio, MMR whose that eradicate the issue. This suppresses the chance of symptoms for months which helps at risk people, but there is no herd immunity-through-vaccination on this.
When politicos excuse COVID-19 mandates (on kids) by pointing to MMR, Polio, note that those vaccines
1) Were in the filed for years.
2) Eradicate the issue with limited shots but the COVID shots may be annual.
3) These diseases mostly hit kids unlike COVID-19. Look at this:
Millions of people thought that they just need to take the vaccine and they would have done their share for COVID-19 to go away; same as many other diseases that vaccines eradicated. Shocked to learn about boosters 6-8 months in, and about possible annual reruns.