@ClinpsychLucy@CMHLvic I'm disgusted @ClinpsychLucy
You flew to my country& state of origin
Specifically to work on ingratiating your ridiculous framework
With people who have not got their head around CRPD rights or its importance
That's an act of power against a marginalised diverse group of people
@ClinpsychLucy@CMHLvic We need these actors focused on understanding our painstakingly negotiated human rights treaty guidance & the wise and considered steps and guidance for its implementation, to bring Psychosocial disability in line w/ wider disability in understanding of rights & responsibilities
@ClinpsychLucy@CMHLvic There is a world of marginalisation, that unfortunately even our representatives and representative structures are not fully understanding.
It's incredibly difficult to have conversations about it, too
Because it's easily misinterpreted
There's already been a difficulty
@ClinpsychLucy@CMHLvic Trying to put these matters forward at the right time.
Leading to misunderstanding
So my question to you @ClinpsychLucy
That I expect an answer to
Is why are you manipulting a difficult situation to get attention on you, and your marginalisation framework?
Instead of our rights?
@ClinpsychLucy@CMHLvic Our rights were not unilaterally decided. They were negotiated in an unprecedented process of negotiation & drafted by 80% civil society: disabled people's organisations
The guidance was further negotiatiated by people raising problems with government interpretation of the treaty
@ClinpsychLucy@CMHLvic Everything on the guidance so far is the resolution of all the issues real people were facing that they have so far brought through representation to the UN Committee on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities then negotiated into guidance. The way we use it is we
@ClinpsychLucy@CMHLvic Understand what's there so far, respect it all, because it's what people have negotiated for their needs, and if there's anything that anyone is missing then we expand and develop to ensure those needs are included as well, without diminishing other's needs will & preferences
@ClinpsychLucy@CMHLvic By contrast you have written a unilateral framework of stereotypes and ideas imposed on people tgats completely hypocritical
You are the power that's affecting me and many others. It is real political power and the way it's affecting is by putting attention on your ideas
@ClinpsychLucy@CMHLvic And insodoing burying our ratified convention, it's guidance and the important suggested steps for education and representation structures we need to make sure we all know what our rights and others are so we can go on expanding them and discussing their implentation
@ClinpsychLucy@CMHLvic This is the opposite of 160 psychologists unilaterally chatting about us, with one survivour
You are opposing and distracting from the process we are already 10 years behind on
With one tokenistic survivour
We are all very different, not homogeneous internationaldisabilityalliance.org/resources/step…
@ClinpsychLucy@CMHLvic So how dare you walk in to our precarious political situation to centre yourself?
And take further attention away from the process that has already been distracted from for ten, long, years?
How dare you grab this power frm a huge, diverse group of differently marginalised people
@ClinpsychLucy@CMHLvic Who have been deprived of rights education and rights compliant structures for fair representation?
Deprived of understanding not only own rights under treaty but principles on how to respect those of others?
How dare you talk about power
While stealing and exerting it?
@jonathanstea@SameiHuda I think problem, whether psychologists or anybody else, is that we have not had any space to logically, fairly, and reasonably discuss the complex issues of the balancing of rights and responsibilities in an unprecedented pandemic. Furthermore vaccines have been overrelied upon
@jonathanstea@SameiHuda In wealthy, developed countries, there was no excuse not to use border control, quarrantine and a host of other measures to stamp the virus out, with vaccines & subsequent medicine technology forming one tool in a toolbox based on traditional safety management
@jonathanstea@SameiHuda ( like in other controlled diseases)
Antivaxx propaganda been run on a pyramid scheme of manipulation, has been arrogance and theorising by people who have no idea how these manipulation pyramids work, or are themselves perpetrators (or victims, or both) of them in other domains
@threadreaderapp@Exnihil80688795@Rufusmay Because if you *do* mean to imply jumping up and down trying to get people to understand & respect rights is pushing individual "view" or "belief"
Really saying we *don't* respect needs or viewpoints of anyone but our group & when people ask us to, we regard then as an imposition
@threadreaderapp@Exnihil80688795@Rufusmay Why do you think people have to jump up and down?
If not purely because not only are their own needs, will & preferences being respected, but there's a whole system of marginalisation, wherein if you are similar enough to get accepted into one of the cliques you get heard there
@threadreaderapp@Exnihil80688795@Rufusmay So long as you keep your needs concealed and only express those narrow enough to fit the group persona, and the group's narrow little focus on piddling places of inclusion in the context of a society excluding & gatekeeping by design
And so long as you are willing to shun
@Exnihil80688795@Rufusmay Yes, there's a slight problem though @Rufusmay
When we are discussing matters of policy & of widescale structural changes in society required for the realisation of a ratified convention
We do actually need to know & understand, what that convention & it's guidance says and why
@Exnihil80688795@Rufusmay The guidance and the convention, were not decided upon unilaterally, but painstakingly negotiated in an unprecedented process wherein 80% of the convention itself was drafted by civil society, specifically: Disabled People's Organisations
And the guidance was negotiated likewise
@Exnihil80688795@Rufusmay Through a process of very diversely people raising through their international representation issues that were affecting them in the misinterpretation of the convention, and there were further guidance & rules negotiated and clarify how to ensure all needs met
@RoseAnnieFlo@SameiHuda What is "antipsychiatry"?
Honestly, as someone routinely accused of being "antipsychiatry", who is routinely in conversation with others routinely accused of being "antipsychiatry", which would include reading official UN Guidance & human rights reports because they are too! 1)
@RoseAnnieFlo@SameiHuda What's fascinating is that I know perfectly well that the comparison with antivaxx propaganda, is not actually applicable to the people who get labelled "antipsychiatry" but to the invocation of the label!
I mean, seriously, I have literally been told I'm in conspiracy with UN!
@RoseAnnieFlo@SameiHuda I have had to sit down young impressionable registrar's, for an hour, to slowly help them find their way out of a rabbit hole, after the poor thing (and poor me too) stood up in my tribunal and said I had "antipsychiatry beliefs"!
She was dragged right into it! 3/
@SenadHasanagic1@SameiHuda It strikes me the problem lies in the distinction between what has been characterised, and what exists in reality.
A large number of persons have reported, and characterised, common withdrawal experience.
It has not been accepted because it doesn't meet existing characterisation
@SenadHasanagic1@SameiHuda So why, instead of embracing the challenge of understanding & characterising an unanticipated phenomenon, widely reported, is there arrogant resistance to acknowleging or characterising it?
I see two eminent physicians scoffing, instead of helping.
@SenadHasanagic1@SameiHuda There is also the backdrop of "psychosis": an inherently deficit based construct at the intersection of crisis & neurodivergence.
Why assume its construction under a medical model?
In a society pledged to implement the human rights model of disability?
@DickieRAnderson@FalteringlyOn@DrDJWilde@TheCenterGroun1 I know intimately what the local regulations are
My interest in this area derives from being a survivor of having been harmed
The reason we needed to negotiate international treaty relates to entrenched predjudice in existing legal systems & social beliefs
@DickieRAnderson@FalteringlyOn@DrDJWilde@TheCenterGroun1 I have worked both formally and informally in community representation, among other primary stakeholders, in trying to negotiate changes in the law
I am acutely aware of the power imbalances, with one side profiting from deliberately seeding prejudice
@DickieRAnderson@FalteringlyOn@DrDJWilde@TheCenterGroun1 I have come back to this @DickieRAnderson
With serious concern, after sleeping on it.
If you are doctor, why concealed your identity?
I would like to write to your professional body to find out if refusing to speak to people who mention CRPD standard