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OK - now US v. #GhislaineMaxwell trial Day 2, afternoon. Epstein's pilot Visoski still on the stand. AUSA asks Judge to tell court arts not to sketch some witnesses. Inner City Press is reporting innercitypress.com/sdnytrial30max… & will live tweet - thread below

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Judge Nathan: Mr. Everdell, you may continue with your cross examination of Mr Visoski. And Mr. Visoski, I remind you that you are under oath.
Maxwell's lawyer Everdell: People liked to go hiking on the Zorro Ranch, right?
Visoski: Yes.

Everdell: But since there were snakes, one needed boots, right?
Visoski: Yes, that would be preferred.
Everdell: And you never saw Ghislaine looking pregnant, did you?
Visoski: I never did.

Everdell: And Ghislaine seemed like a nice person to you, did she not?
Visoski: She did.
Everdell: And you have two daughters - and you let them ride horses with Ghislaine, right?
Visoski: I did.

Everdell: You saw nothing in 30 years that made you think Mr. Epstein was an abuser, right?
Visoski: I did not.
Everdell: Nothing further.
Judge Nathan: Re-direct.
AUSA Maurene Comey: Did you let your 14 year old daughter massage Mr. Epstein?
Visoski: I did not.

AUSA Comey: Nothing further. And we call our next witness, "Jane."
Judge Nathan: I order the sketch artist not to accurately depict the witness.
AUSA Comey: What is Government Exhibit 12, under seal?
"Jane" - It is my birth certificate.

AUSA Comey: How old were you when you first had sexual contact with Jeffrey Epstein?
Jane: 14.
AUSA: Who was in the room?
Jane: Ghislaine Maxwell.
AUSA: Do you see her here?
Jane: Yes. There. In sort of a beige turtleneck.
AUSA: She has identified the defendant.

AUSA Comey: What type of work did your father do?
Jane: He was a musical composer. Then he died of leukemia. His employer had canceled his health insurance without him knowing. We essentially went bankrupt and had to move out.

AUSA Comey: When you were at Interlochen, did you meet a couple?
Jane: Yes. The woman had a dog and the man said they were big benefactors. They asked for my mother's phone number. A landline.

AUSA Comey: When you visited, what do you remember about spending time at the pool?
Jane: There were four woman and Ghislaine, all topless and some of them were naked. I was shocked. I hadn't seen that before. Maxwell would ask me if I had boyfriends.

AUSA Comey: Did Epstein begin to pay for things for you?
Jane: Voice lessons. Clothes. Things for school.
AUSA: Did Ms Maxwell give you some advice?
Jane: That if you f*ck them you can always f*ck them, they're sort of grandfathered in. I didn't know what it meant

AUSA: What did they tell you about their social circle?
Jane: Donald Trump. Bill Clinton. Mike Wallace.
AUSA: How was the house decorated?
Jane: Art, sculptures. Pictures of famous people, presidents. I thought some of the art was odd - naked women, creepy animals

Pseudonymous witness "Jane" - Epstein took me into the pool house. He proceeded to masturbate on me. Then he went into the bathroom & cleaned himself & acted like nothing happened. I'd never seen that before.
AUSA: Did you keep spending time with them?
Jane: Yes.

Pseudonymous witness "Jane" - Jeffrey [Epstein] proceeded to masturbate again. Ghislaine was rubbing on him, kissing on him.
AUSA: How old were you?
Jane: Fourteen.

AUSA: What was Ms. Maxwell's demeanor like?
Jane: She was very casual, like this was entirely normal. I was confused. When you are 14 you have no idea what is going on.
AUSA: Did Jeffrey Epstein touch you?
Jane: Yes. Everywhere.

AUSA: Did you touch Mr. Epstein?
Jane: [pause] Everywhere.
AUSA: I'm sorry to ask you this, but did he use sex toys?
Jane: Yes. Like those back massagers. They were painful. He did it anyway.
AUSA: Did Maxwell touch your body?
Jane: Yes.

AUSA: How often did these things happen?
Jane: Every time I visited his house.
AUSA: Did you travel to his other homes?
Jane: Yes.
AUSA: We'll back back to that. When other people were present, how did incidents start?
Jane: Jeffrey would say, follow him.

AUSA: Follow him where?
Jane: To his bedroom. Or to the massage room. He would get on the massage table and it would sort of turn into this orgy.
AUSA: How often was Maxwell present?
Jane: I can't give a precise number.

AUSA: During the incident when you were 14, was Maxwell in the room?
Jane: Yes.
AUSA: When you were 14, 15 and 16 how many times did you travel with them?
Jane: About ten times. To NYC, and New Mexico. On Jeffrey's plane.

AUSA: What kind of art work did they have?
Jane: Yes, it was weird. Animal heads. Naked women. Orgies. It didn't seem very unusual at this point.
AUSA: How did you feel, in the New York house?
Jane: Like someone was always watching you.

AUSA: What would Epstein asked you to do?
Jane: To straddle his face. To pinch his nipples.
AUSA: Were there times that Maxwell was present?
Jane: Yes.
AUSA: In the NY house, where did this happen?
Jane: In the massage room.

AUSA: On the trip to New Mexico, where did you spend most of your time?
Jane: On the ranch. It was in the middle of nowhere.
AUSA: Did anyone come into your room?
Jane: Yes. Someone came in and said, Jeffrey wants to see you and escorted me to see him.

Jane (sobbing) I did not want to go see him.
AUSA: Who told you Epstein wanted to see you?
Jane: Don't know. I had to fly back to Florida to go to school. I took a commercial flight. But I was only 15 and didn't even have a [drivers] learner's permit.

Jane: So I couldn't get on the flight back to Florida, having no ID. I freaked out. But Maxwell helped solve it. She talked to someone & I got on the plane.
AUSA: What was your home life like at the time?
Jane: We were losing our home. We moved into a pool house.

Jane: My mom was enamored by the idea that these affluent people were taking an interest in me --
Maxwell's lawyer: Objection! Hearsay!
AUSA: It's for the effect on the listener.

Judge Nathan: You may ask that question. But not what the mother said.
AUSA: Could we approach?
Judge Nathan: The jurors' snacks are hear. Let's take a 10 minute break.
Podcast coming...

OK, did fast cast, now back with limiting instruction:
Judge Nathan: Jurors, you will hear what the witness' mother said. That is not offered for the truth of the matter asserted, but for the impact on the witness. You may proceed.
Pod: anchor.fm/innercity-pres…

AUSA: What did your mother say?
Jane: That I should be grateful for their attention.
AUSA: Did you tell your siblings about the abuse?
Jane: No. I was ashamed. And I had a manic-depressed mother who didn't know how to cope. [sobs] It seemed hopeless.

Jane: I spoke to my school guidance counselor, who then called my mother. My mother told me, You don't talk about what happens at home and embarrass us.

AUSA: Jane, what kind of work do you do now?
Jane: I am still an actor. I got work in LA. But I didn't know how to trust, how to reciprocate.
AUSA: When did you stop being in touch with Jeffrey Epstein?
Jane: In 2002. I fell in love with someone.

Jane: Epstein kept calling me and saying he wanted to see me, that I needed to be grateful to him, that my mother was living in one of his apartment. Do you want me to continue?
AUSA: Was that the last time?
Jane: Yes.

AUSA: Later did you tell the man I'll call Matt about Epstein?
Jane: Yes. Not in detail. But I did. By then you saw Epstein on the TV all the time. He had been arrested.
AUSA: Did the FBI interview you in September 2019?
Jane: Yes.

Jane: May 2019.
AUSA: Did you sue Ghislaine Maxwell?
Jane: Yes. In 2020.
AUSA: And the Epstein Victims' Fund?
Jane: Yes. They awarded me $5 million. Of that, I got approximately $2.9 million.
AUSA: Would the verdict in this case impact that?
Objection!
Sidebar.

They're back.
AUSA: Would a verdict here impact that?
Jane: No.
Judge Nathan: This is not a legal opinion.
AUSA: Why do you want to be anonymous?
Jane: Because I work in Hollywood and victim shaming is still the norm.
AUSA: No further questions.

Judge Nathan: Ms. Menninger you may cross examine.
Maxwell's lawyer Menninger: You waited 20 years to complain, correct?
Jane: Correct.
Menninger: Two full decades before your first report to the police. By then Mr. Epstein was dead, correct?
Jane: Correct.

Menninger: And you had two personal injury attorneys with you. Mr. Glaxman and Mr. Workman. And AUSA Moe.
Jane: Yes.
Menniger: In the 20 years, you spoke to several people close to you. To the person we're referring to as Matt. Your sister Camilla-
Objection!

There is a sidebar.
Now they return.
Menninger: You told one of your older sisters, right?
Jane: Right.
Menninger: But you didn't mention Ghislaine Maxwell, correct?
Jane: I don't know.

Menninger: You have four older sibling?
Jane: One older sibling, three older half siblings.
Menninger: Show the witness 3509-008.
Objection! She'd just reading document not in evidence. She can refresh -
Menninger: I'm not refreshing, I'm impeaching.

Judge Nathan: Well, you're not impeaching yet, Ms. Menninger. The objection is sustained. I'm going to reach the document to myself.
Menninger: You told Ms. Moe you lived in the same house --
US: Objection! No foundation.

Menninger: I wasn't going to ask for the street address, I was going to ask if she knows it, where the country club is.
Jane: I don't know. I've never been to a country club.
Menninger

Menninger: I'd like to show the witness another sealed document.
Jane: I recognize my mother's signature and mine. But I don't recognize the document.
Menninger: What do you believe this document to be?
AUSA: Objection!
Judge Nathan: Sustained.

Menninger: How about this page?
Judge Nathan: You should do this on paper, I always thought that was a better idea, not the screen. So this is J-5? And the question is, do you recognize the document?
Jane: I do. It's the application for Interlochen camp.

Menninger: And is your signature on the 2d page?
Jane: Yes. It's dated 5/7/94.
Menninger: Before you met Jeffrey Epstein, right? Did you apply for financial aid or scholarship?
AUSA: Let them offer it into evidence. Under seal.
Judge Nathan: So ordered.

Menninger: You did not apply for aid.
Jane: I guess not. I was a child.
Judge Nathan: It's 5 o'clock and we're going to break.
Clerk: All rise!
Jury leaves.
Judge Nathan: No communication on substance between US and witness, since she's under cross. Be seated.

Judge Nathan: We have some matters to take up.
AUSA: The defense never showed up these documents. It violated Rule 16.
Maxwell's lawyer: The rule does not apply.
AUSA: Then it's not admissible.

Judge Nathan: It's one page of J-36? How does it impeach?
Defense: It shows the street she lives on.
Judge Nathan: It's a current photo. It is not impeaching.
AUSA: It's in violation of Rule 16. We would ask that the Court direct them to produce it forthwith.

Defense: But today's we've seen, and you've admitted, a photo of the Epstein home today.
Judge Nathan: But they had a witness saying it's fair and accurate representation.
AUSA: We'll brief it. [and we'll report on it]

Judge Nathan: Both sides should put in letters by 9 pm tonight. Now we have to deal with the the identifying information.
AUSA: We will speak with the defense about it, this evening.

Judge Nathan: The witness is on cross, do you agree they can talk to her? Then raise it to me in a letter tonight.
AUSA: We'll confer right after the court day today and submit letters by 10 pm.
Judge Nathan: Fine.
AUSA: "Matt" will be the next witness.

Judge Nathan: So I'll await your letter today.
[Hopefully they'll go into the docket, and Inner City Press will report on them]
Adjourned.
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