If you learn anything from me, let it be this:

How to not get screwed at the car dealership (without getting lucky).

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First, context: I have been a car dealer for over a decade. I've been a part of many negotiations.

Important to remember that markets are dynamic, dealers can be emotional, and life is nuanced.

With that said, I hope you enjoy this thread!

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1. Start online. Research the car you want.

Edmunds, Cargurus, TrueCar, etc. There is a never-ending amount of information available online.

Most customers come into the dealership knowing more about a specific car than the salespeople do.

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Chances are you will quickly find the car you're looking for at many dealerships with a quick, online search.

Dealers try to be on every listing site. FOMO is real!

If you don't, you should probably stop reading this thread as you won't have any leverage to negotiate :)

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If you plan on trading in a vehicle to the dealership, don't forget to research your own car as well!

Trade-ins are one of the biggest moneymakers for dealerships.

You can get a real online offer within 5 minutes from websites such as Carvana and Carmax.

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2. Get smart. Leverage online tools for the following:

Cargurus > Local Market Prices
Carvana/Carmax > National Market Prices
Kelly Blue Book > Suggested Retail Value
Your friend the local dealer > Anecdotal insight

Combine these data points. Voila, you're progressing.

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3. Build up negotiating leverage. You can and should get creative here:

Product quality: Does the car have a blemish on the Carfax?

Redundancy: Does the dealer carry multiple units of this type of car?

Double-dip: Do you have a sweet trade-in that the dealer can retail?

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Speed: Can you make the purchase in the next 24 hrs?

Relationship: Do you know someone who works at the dealership in management?

Spiffs: Is it the end of the month/quarter? (franchise dealers typically get spiffs from the OEMs for hitting volume targets)

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And the holy grail of leverage... BATNA.

Best Alternative To a Negotiated Agreement.

Essentially, is there another car in the local market that is comparable and similarly priced to the one you're looking at?

If used correctly, this is the ultimate leverage.

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4. Now, you're ready to make the offer. The fun part!

The cardinal rule: Always, always, always make an "all-in" offer based on your budget.

Meaning, offer a flat, out-the-door price for the entire deal (including tax, tags, and fees).

Why do this? A couple of reasons:

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1. Forcing function: The dealer will fight hard to figure out how they can discount the deal.

2. Optics: General Managers and General Sales Managers - who report to ownership - may prefer to reduce fees or ancillary product margin before reducing the price of a vehicle.

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Pro-tip: Bring a cashier's check from your bank or local credit union.

This is the ultimate forcing function and will kick the dealer into overdrive.

There is nothing worse than losing a customer with a real check in hand.

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And that's it! You got the car of your dreams at an attractive price.

Let me know your results next time you shop for a car.

If you enjoyed this thread, retweet, like, and follow me @GuyDealership for many more!

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15 Jan
*Hot take!

I attended the largest used car auction in the world today:

Manheim Pennsylvania.

Here’s what’s happening on the ground floor:

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1) Cars going for $35k and above are most definitely taking their first haircut in months.

Felt like a 10% w/o/w drop.

Significant.

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2) Rental car companies DID NOT buy cars for the first time in months!

Context:

Several days ago I tweeted that Rental companies were aggressively buying cars at used car auctions…

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FACT:

Carvana grossly overpays for cars.

But most people have no idea how it does it (including most car dealers)!

Here's a simple breakdown of Carvana’s operations:

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First, let's understand how Carvana operates.

The company was built on the backbone of DriveTime:

A nationwide, vertically-integrated, traditional dealer group.

Similar to DriveTime, Carvana was built as a vertically-integrated auto retailer.

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Let's define vertical integration in normal-people terms:

Carvana does a sh*t load of stuff in-house, as opposed to outsourcing.

This enables them to maximize the value they capture across the value chain.

But why does this all matter?

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You heard it here first:

Demand at used car auctions has started slowing down.

This will be in the news in 30-60 days.
The largest used-car auction in North American runs weekly on Fridays.

Will share what I see with you all tomorrow afternoon.
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6 Jan
Car dealerships are money-printing machines.

Or are they?

Let's quickly dig in:

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Average margin on a used car used to be around 6-8%.

But 2021 was bonkers.

Some dealers got as high as 10-12%.

And that doesn't include any ancillary product sales.

(2/7)
Now let's put some real numbers to that:

Assume a dealer's average vehicle sales price is $25K.

8% of that is $2,000.

Let's also assume that this dealer does sells some ancillary products:

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Read 7 tweets
5 Jan
The most burning question at the moment:

Should you buy a new car now,

or wait for the market to cool a bit?

Here is my response:

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I’m no economist, but it’s highly unlikely the market will cool anytime soon.

Reason?

The supply/demand imbalance is just too extreme at the moment.

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No one predicted used car prices rising 32% in 2021,

And surely, no one knows what will happen to prices in the coming year.

What we do know, is that OEMs are still struggling with chip shortages,

And new car dealers don't have any new cars.

(3/5)
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28 Dec 21
How to get a great deal at a car dealership (without getting lucky)

A thread (inspired by Naval):

(1/n)
First, context: I have been a car dealer for over a decade. I've been a part of many negotiations.

Important to remember that markets are dynamic, dealers can be emotional, and life is nuanced.

With that said, I hope you enjoy this thread!

(2/n)
1. Start online. Research the car you want.

Edmunds, Cargurus, TrueCar, etc. There is a never-ending amount of information available online.

Most customers come into the dealership knowing more about a specific car than the salespeople do.

(3/n)
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