A friend working at the Indian R&D centre of one of the chip design behemoths of US spoke with regards to what we need to do. He sees little value in bringing TSMC large scale fabs in India. He says the marginal value add will only be few thousand skilled jobs at a huge cost! (+)
He told about a story where few Chinese chip design engineers from his company came out and started their own chip design effort with state support and ecosystem in China. Today apparently they own 30% of the market segment in China against this US behemoth. (+)
What clicked for the Chinese, he says was the existence of a semi fab ecosystem (not the TSMC types but the small scale types that can print to design for MSMEs) and a ready market of electronics makers who were ready to switch from Western behemoths. (+)
China’s chip market is apparently 50 times the size of India’s chip market. (There’s a difference being market for an end product and market for a chip assembly). For the latter to happen, India needs its own consumer and industrial electronics firms to come up. (+)
He says a single floor of engineers of his R&D centre in India if they come out and start their own, they can definitely develop chips for a wide range of low to mid level applications. But they can’t today because there’s lack of MSME and/or prototyping fabs & capital available
This apparently is the biggest difference. A TSMC or GF fab is going to mfg only for large scale Western behemoths. Chip IP stays with the West, mfg IP and value stays with TSMC with just employment generated. It is only when we start investing in domestic academic fabs to (+)
complement the Design Linked Incentives(DLI) that the Modi govt has announced will we be able to realize the final product of Indian designed and developed IP and become true owners of the tech and gain tech sovereignty in this domain. (+)
In this regard, we need Atleast few prototyping/academic fabs for different segments where both industrial development and producing and academic research can happen. That’s how you leap frog. That’s how you own the knowledge.
On that note, the govt’s Design Linked Incentives to support Chip design companies is truly welcome. Solves to some extent the capital part of the problem. business-standard.com/article/econom…
But the necessity of small scale prototyping fab is under appreciated. An investment of a $ 1 Billion will get us few academic fabs within the right academic research environment. We don’t know what happened to these proposals. indianexpress.com/article/educat…
We will have to leverage these kind of partnerships with Western semiconductor companies to gain base know-why and use that foster local startups and companies. thehindubusinessline.com/news/applied-m…
How TSMC typically operates. It seeks full ownership of its overseas plants.
The DLI scheme announced few days back. So we are half way through doing all the right things. But this is a puzzle where all pieces are necessary and the most crucial piece is a vibrant small scale mfg ecosystem in the semiconductor space for these companies to mfr their designs
A different and more informed perspective from a person who knows the industry much better.
And since some are inclined to deliberately mischaracterise my thread, here’s what I wrote when the Semiconductor PLI came in. Those who can’t understand “good enough but can do more” aspect.
We need more robust crash test research & standards within our country. I've worked with NHTSA on couple of projects and their approach is very different. They don't start with models and pre-existing stds unlike here. They start on first principles and then build a framework (+)
based on a wide breadth and depth of experiments. We need to stop importing standards. Not because they are bad or unsuitable to our country, but because our regulators do not understand the how and why of these standards. This then extends to the automotive OEMs too.
Summary on Kaveri Engine shared by MoS MoD today in Rajya Sabha. Thanks to @subhsara
We at last get the total expenditure on the Kaveri program, Rs 2035.56 crore
This is pittance compared to the Multi Billion $ effort that serious nations mount.
WE'RE JUST NOT SERIOUS ABOUT IT!
@subhsara Explains why the govt dropped jaws when Safran quoted 500 million euros to develop test and certify the engine further(aside offsets). Till then both DRDO & Govt were lying to themselves that we can get a jet engine cheap. They cudn't accept this reality! economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/d…
@subhsara I'm guessing the govt would've never signed off on a domestic engine development project if it knew it would cost upward of Rs 30,000 crores. The DRDO would've tried to keep the govt happy feeding it with false promises that it could get it done at <$2,500 crores.
This is a thread on ground transportation proving and testing infrastructure that exists across India. This includes civil and defence facilities available across India.
Starting with Maruti Suzuki’s test track in Rohtak. Quite a big and diverse Proving ground
Moving South to the National Capital Region we have the government ICAT’s test facility and homologation centre that carries some regulation and R&D work on the part of govt. This facility is located in Gurgaon.
As we move down to Jaipur outskirts Hero Motors has a sprawling Two wheeler proving ground right by their R&D centre. Quite diverse set of test facilities within that proving ground.
Binge watching Tarmak media's #HamaraTejas series dispassionately. Neither over the top exuberance nor cynicism. Just trying to learn where they came from and what they have to say about their journey.
Finished. I liked Ep 1,5 & 6. Learnt new things from them. 2,3,4 were more powder puffing mundane achievements as ground breaking but that's ok. A lot of celebrations about success, which is warranted, less acknowledgement of the mistakes and drawbacks though.
Overall takeaway, it was a program celebrating Tejas team contributions and to inspire school going children to take up a career in Aerospace and Defence. Don't watch it as a fact giving documentary like you see of some of the Western Aerospace programs.
The way Afghanistan has turned out to fall to ragtag militia within days after more than a decade of national building project. India post 1947 would’ve had its task cut out in terms of forming a stable political union and not get balkanised by sub national forces completely.
Starting right from landing forces in Srinagar to bringing the 500 odd princely states we faced an uphill battle to form a nation and thanks to the leaders and the bureaucrats then who had a razor sharp focus on that in the initial decades.
Yes we floundered in multiple cases, including Nagaland, Mizoram, Kashmir etc but there are so many ways this project could’ve gone wrong and yet here we are. A young stable political union of 74 yrs with a $2.7 Trillion economy. The work isn’t over with Maoists & Naxalites
Aatmanirbhar Screwdrivergiri!
75 yrs and we still import what is mundane tech worldwide!
“The South Korean firm will share the designs and once MCF approves they will be made in South Korea and brought in India in knocked down condition" timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india…
1955, ICF Perambur was started to produce coaches for IR with imported design from Swiss Schlieren and we have been producing that for 65 years now.
All that ICF was doing was produce variations of the same design for different purposes. No new overall design or generative D&D.
1990s for lack of design and development expertise, we again issue global tender for a new lightweight design. LHB coaches come in. And RCF Kapurthala and ICF Perambur have been making LHB for years now.