Thread by @sfrantzman

It's odd how those who constantly push this "no fly zone" story regarding Ukraine, claiming it will mean "war" with Russia...don't seem to condemn Russia imposing a "no fly zone" in Ukraine by invading Ukraine. Doesn't Ukraine have a right to its airspace.

It's not "war with Russia" if western countries want to fly in Ukraine's airspace. It's Russia that invaded. The onus is on Russia. It's Russia imposing a "no fly zone"....not anyone else. Blame Russia. Russia started the war.

How about a Right to Fly Zone…that’s how the US conducted the Berlin Air Lift, right? How come the same people that claimed Russia isn’t so powerful and we need to concentrate on China, push this “no war with Russia”?

Apparently Russia isn’t afraid of “war” with the West…it’s only a talking point in the west to fearmonger over the west wanting to fly in Ukraine’s airspace at Ukraine’s invitation.

And in Syria the US and others successfully deconflict with Russia… Don’t they???

So despite Russia and Syria not wanting US aircraft over Syria, there is no “war” between the US and Russia is there? Or with the Syrian regime

Only when it comes to Ukraine, if the west wants to fly in Ukraine airspace is this nonsensical canard of “then there will be WWIII” put forward. Why? Russia has NO RIGHT to fly in Ukraine’s airspace. It’s Russia that should be afraid of war. Not the West.

This whole nonsense about “if you support a no fly zone you support war” is like the “if you’re against the Iran deal you want war” talking point. It’s nonsense.

You can support a Right to Fly in Ukraine’s airspace at the invitation of Ukraine and not want war with Russia. Anyway why be so afraid of Russia. It’s Russia that should be worried too.

The Cold War was managed very well by both sides being careful. But the West didn’t always back down over fears of war. You can’t live always being afraid that there might be war, that gives Russia all the cards.

Remember: Russia invaded. Russia began an illegal and unprovoked war. If the West backs Ukraine, including in its airspace, that is not “starting war with Russia”…

And the US and West can test this, fly a large drone into Ukrainian airspace and land it somewhere. Put the onus on Russia. It’s not “starting a war” to fly in Ukraine airspace. You could supply Ukraine a bit using drones. There are now drones tasked for civilian airspace too…

There is nothing preventing the West From flying drones into Ukraine airspace. And that is not starting a war. It’s not Russia airspace.

The US flew U-2 planes over the Soviet Union during the Cold War right? And there was no “war with Russia”…and this isn’t even over Russia. This is over Ukraine.

The “no fly zone” straw man is ridiculous.

He fear of war with Russia also reveals a whole coterie of people who will make this same argument if there is China action on Taiwan…”oh we can’t help Taiwan, that would mean war with nuclear armed China”…think about it…

ALSO, some of those shouting about the “no fly zone means war”…are the same ones who told the US to shift from counter-terrorism in Middle East to confront “near peer rivals”…well here is a near peer rival called Russia…so isn’t this the point.

If every action by the near-peer rivals results in “don’t confront them or there could be war”…then what’s the point of preparing to confront these rivals? It can’t be both ways…the US and West needs innovative strategy snd tactics to confront Russia in Ukraine

And the biggest scam of the “no fly zone” debate is always claiming the onus is on the US or West to “shoot down” Russian planes. NO. One can send planes or drones into Ukraine airspace and put that onus on Russia. Russia likely can de-conflict as it does in Syria. Think

See you don’t have to shoot anything down. You can respond. But you can have a freedom of Ukraine airspace like the West used to back freedom of navigation or freedom of the seas. There doesn’t have to be an onus to “shoot down” anything or “start a war”

Ukraine has a right to it’s airspace and it has a right to invite other countries to use that airspace. And it is Russia that is illegally enforcing a “no fly zone”…condemn the REAL no fly zone…the one Russia is doing.