Russia War Costs Thread 1/
As Putin's invasion war into Ukraine has passed 2 months, the fog of war is lifting somewhat. We can make a preliminary calculation of the monetary cost to Russia of this war (beyond lives & injuries, military & civilian)
Let's do some math, shall we?
As Putin's invasion war into Ukraine has passed 2 months, the fog of war is lifting somewhat. We can make a preliminary calculation of the monetary cost to Russia of this war (beyond lives & injuries, military & civilian)
Let's do some math, shall we?
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We have several tidbits of info, daily military equipment losses like this chart published by Kyiv Independent. Some of those numbers at times confirmed or similar numbers come out from Russia (rapidly deleted). I trust these are close to truth
We have several tidbits of info, daily military equipment losses like this chart published by Kyiv Independent. Some of those numbers at times confirmed or similar numbers come out from Russia (rapidly deleted). I trust these are close to truth
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There have been many supportive calculations such as a regular update of visually confirmed losses out of photographs & video. And separately, various sources calculated totals, and Forbes calculated costs of various equipment losses such as this chart
There have been many supportive calculations such as a regular update of visually confirmed losses out of photographs & video. And separately, various sources calculated totals, and Forbes calculated costs of various equipment losses such as this chart
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As the war has dragged on, we have also found out most of the Russian Army units serving in Ukraine, and these are collected for example onto Wikipedia which lists the full Russian organization by unit & commander
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_…
As the war has dragged on, we have also found out most of the Russian Army units serving in Ukraine, and these are collected for example onto Wikipedia which lists the full Russian organization by unit & commander
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_…
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That gets us to a fairly confident number, that it was about 190,000 troops Russia sent to invade Ukraine on 24 February 2022. That includes bandits, gangsters & terrorists from the Donbas region joining the Russian mission against Ukraine
That gets us to a fairly confident number, that it was about 190,000 troops Russia sent to invade Ukraine on 24 February 2022. That includes bandits, gangsters & terrorists from the Donbas region joining the Russian mission against Ukraine
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I have seen some numbers of Russian equipment which does not tally with 190,000 total army size (the numbers are too low). So I stick to my estimate. For an army of 190,000 you need 19,000 armored vehicles. There's a simple rule of thumb to divide that
I have seen some numbers of Russian equipment which does not tally with 190,000 total army size (the numbers are too low). So I stick to my estimate. For an army of 190,000 you need 19,000 armored vehicles. There's a simple rule of thumb to divide that
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The Russian order of battle is designed to allow every soldier to fight inside a contaminated combat environment. So there has to be a seat for every soldier, inside. Thus use this rule:
30% tanks
40% armored personnel carriers
20% artillery
10% other
The Russian order of battle is designed to allow every soldier to fight inside a contaminated combat environment. So there has to be a seat for every soldier, inside. Thus use this rule:
30% tanks
40% armored personnel carriers
20% artillery
10% other
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Thus I stick to my estimate, on 24 February 2022, Russia invaded Ukraine with:
5,700 tanks
7,600 armored personnel carriers
3,800 self-propelled artillery & mortar units
1,900 other incl Anti-Air, Recce, MLRS, command, bridging, repair etc vehicles
Thus I stick to my estimate, on 24 February 2022, Russia invaded Ukraine with:
5,700 tanks
7,600 armored personnel carriers
3,800 self-propelled artillery & mortar units
1,900 other incl Anti-Air, Recce, MLRS, command, bridging, repair etc vehicles
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Those numbers can be off by many hundreds per category, but will unlikely be off by a thousand in either direction
Two classes impact the cost of combat. Tanks consume far more fuel than others
And artillery consumes BY FAR the most ammunition
Those numbers can be off by many hundreds per category, but will unlikely be off by a thousand in either direction
Two classes impact the cost of combat. Tanks consume far more fuel than others
And artillery consumes BY FAR the most ammunition
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In fighting a war, for Russian army, the artillery cost is so huge, more than HALF of all supply is JUST artillery. Second most is mortar rounds, then comes fuel, then other munitions such as rockets, missiles, tank ammunition, rifle rounds & food
In fighting a war, for Russian army, the artillery cost is so huge, more than HALF of all supply is JUST artillery. Second most is mortar rounds, then comes fuel, then other munitions such as rockets, missiles, tank ammunition, rifle rounds & food
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So the single biggest factor in deciding how much the Russian army is costing Putin, is how much there is artillery fired. Not the cost of paying families for the dead, or paying for mercenaries from Syria, or paying for jet fuel etc. Artillery...
So the single biggest factor in deciding how much the Russian army is costing Putin, is how much there is artillery fired. Not the cost of paying families for the dead, or paying for mercenaries from Syria, or paying for jet fuel etc. Artillery...
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But the biggest unknown, that I could not estimate for you, was the cost of missiles. They are very expensive, and there is no 'standard allocation' formula. I was unable to calculate our costs, until I had this number. Forbes gave it to us 2 days ago
But the biggest unknown, that I could not estimate for you, was the cost of missiles. They are very expensive, and there is no 'standard allocation' formula. I was unable to calculate our costs, until I had this number. Forbes gave it to us 2 days ago
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Forbes caculated that the total cost of the missiles fired by Russia in the war so far (at 62 days) was $7.5 Billion dollars. That is $120 million dollars per day in smart weapon costs per day. Note Forbes estimate is on low end, it is likely more
Forbes caculated that the total cost of the missiles fired by Russia in the war so far (at 62 days) was $7.5 Billion dollars. That is $120 million dollars per day in smart weapon costs per day. Note Forbes estimate is on low end, it is likely more
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Pat, I am ready to solve the puzzle.
Let's start with fuel. Russian Air Force started war flying 200 combat jet missions per day. That went up to 300 per day from mid March. Let's use 267 as our average missions flown.
Pat, I am ready to solve the puzzle.
Let's start with fuel. Russian Air Force started war flying 200 combat jet missions per day. That went up to 300 per day from mid March. Let's use 267 as our average missions flown.
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With mix of high performance twin engine jet fighters like Su 27 derivatives, that use about 10 tons of fuel per mission, & smaller subsonic ground attack jets like Su 25 that use 4 tons, I get 2.3 million liters (605,000 gallons) of jet fuel per day
With mix of high performance twin engine jet fighters like Su 27 derivatives, that use about 10 tons of fuel per mission, & smaller subsonic ground attack jets like Su 25 that use 4 tons, I get 2.3 million liters (605,000 gallons) of jet fuel per day
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Add the helicopters, say 1 million more liters per day, at 3.3 million liters say same in dollars. $3.3M in jet fuel
Next the tanks. Russian tanks have about 1,100 liter fuel tank. If every tank consumes one tankful per day, it is 6.3 million liters
Add the helicopters, say 1 million more liters per day, at 3.3 million liters say same in dollars. $3.3M in jet fuel
Next the tanks. Russian tanks have about 1,100 liter fuel tank. If every tank consumes one tankful per day, it is 6.3 million liters
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that is 5,700 tanks. All other 13,300 armored vehicles consume only 5.9 million liters per day, combined. You see in terms of fuel costs, gas guzzlers for Russian military are the tanks
Total fuel costs per day $15.5 million dollars for this military
that is 5,700 tanks. All other 13,300 armored vehicles consume only 5.9 million liters per day, combined. You see in terms of fuel costs, gas guzzlers for Russian military are the tanks
Total fuel costs per day $15.5 million dollars for this military
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Now lets look at ammunition costs
Each artillery piece would have a fire allotment of 250 rounds per day, to be able to fire 50 minutes per day, at 5 rounds per minute (they do not fire continuously)
Of the 3,800 self-propelled indirect fire...
Now lets look at ammunition costs
Each artillery piece would have a fire allotment of 250 rounds per day, to be able to fire 50 minutes per day, at 5 rounds per minute (they do not fire continuously)
Of the 3,800 self-propelled indirect fire...
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Of the 3,800 units half are self-propelled artillery, half are self-propelled mortar units. 1,900 artillery x 250 rounds would fire 475,000 rounds per day. That is about 24 thousand TONS per day
Cost? $475 million dollars per day if every gun sings
Of the 3,800 units half are self-propelled artillery, half are self-propelled mortar units. 1,900 artillery x 250 rounds would fire 475,000 rounds per day. That is about 24 thousand TONS per day
Cost? $475 million dollars per day if every gun sings
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It is rare for all guns to fire their daily allotment, but in heavy battle, many units will expend their total daily allowance. So potentially $475 million per day in artillery round costs, in reality it will be a fraction of that per day
It is rare for all guns to fire their daily allotment, but in heavy battle, many units will expend their total daily allowance. So potentially $475 million per day in artillery round costs, in reality it will be a fraction of that per day
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Mortar also 1,900 units x 250 rounds per day, is about 5,000 tons of munitions. Cost if every mortar fired full allotment that day, would be $95 million dollars. All other rounds are FAR less per day, like tank ammo, bullets for rifles & machine guns
Mortar also 1,900 units x 250 rounds per day, is about 5,000 tons of munitions. Cost if every mortar fired full allotment that day, would be $95 million dollars. All other rounds are FAR less per day, like tank ammo, bullets for rifles & machine guns
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All other traditional munitions combined will cost a small fraction of the artillery & mortar, because they are fired only when targets are seen. Let's use $30 million to cover all other munitions (will be less)
Add the $120 million in missile costs
All other traditional munitions combined will cost a small fraction of the artillery & mortar, because they are fired only when targets are seen. Let's use $30 million to cover all other munitions (will be less)
Add the $120 million in missile costs
Russia War Costs Thread 23/
Next lets take payments for the dead. Russia promised to pay $41,000 euros per dead Russian soldier and $28,000 euros if (permanently) injured. We see 365 dead on ave per day. Those are not all Russians (includes mercenaries etc). I guess 288 Russians
Next lets take payments for the dead. Russia promised to pay $41,000 euros per dead Russian soldier and $28,000 euros if (permanently) injured. We see 365 dead on ave per day. Those are not all Russians (includes mercenaries etc). I guess 288 Russians
Russia War Costs Thread 24/
Using the ratio we found, 1.72 injured vs dead for Russian army, that gives 481 injured per day. These result in daily compensation cost of $11.8M for KIA and $11.2M for injured, total $23 million per day
Slightly more in level than daily fuel costs
Using the ratio we found, 1.72 injured vs dead for Russian army, that gives 481 injured per day. These result in daily compensation cost of $11.8M for KIA and $11.2M for injured, total $23 million per day
Slightly more in level than daily fuel costs
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Then lets add the mercenaries. 20,000 hired from Syria, Libya etc to go & die in Ukraine. Paid on average $1,800 dollars per month. This mercenary army costs $36 million dollars.. per month
Only $1.2 million per day
True. They're cheap cannon fodder
Then lets add the mercenaries. 20,000 hired from Syria, Libya etc to go & die in Ukraine. Paid on average $1,800 dollars per month. This mercenary army costs $36 million dollars.. per month
Only $1.2 million per day
True. They're cheap cannon fodder
Russia War Costs Thread 26/
Then let's add the lost equipment. This will sting a bit. That Moskva boat alone cost $750 million. So out of total gear Russia has lost so far, I estimate actual cost paid by Russia was $10.0B up to now, but replacement cost is $14.7 Billion dollars
Then let's add the lost equipment. This will sting a bit. That Moskva boat alone cost $750 million. So out of total gear Russia has lost so far, I estimate actual cost paid by Russia was $10.0B up to now, but replacement cost is $14.7 Billion dollars
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$14.7 Billion is the real equipment cost, because this gear will need to be replaced by Russian military, it was their latest weapons. They cannot take obsolete tanks from storage to use for next decades. That comes to a daily cost of $230 million
$14.7 Billion is the real equipment cost, because this gear will need to be replaced by Russian military, it was their latest weapons. They cannot take obsolete tanks from storage to use for next decades. That comes to a daily cost of $230 million
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There also are salaries paid to Russian professional soldiers and allowances for conscripts, but those would have to be paid for the same soldiers under peacetime serving somewhere in Russia. So I will not include those costs
Now lets total these up
There also are salaries paid to Russian professional soldiers and allowances for conscripts, but those would have to be paid for the same soldiers under peacetime serving somewhere in Russia. So I will not include those costs
Now lets total these up
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If we assume full fuel used daily & total daily ammunition used, then costs:
Fuel $16M*
Artillery $475M*
Mortar $95M*
Missiles $120M
Oth ammo $30M
Compensation $23M
Mercenaries $1M
Equipment lost $230M
Total daily cost: $994M*
* reality will be less
If we assume full fuel used daily & total daily ammunition used, then costs:
Fuel $16M*
Artillery $475M*
Mortar $95M*
Missiles $120M
Oth ammo $30M
Compensation $23M
Mercenaries $1M
Equipment lost $230M
Total daily cost: $994M*
* reality will be less
Russia War Costs Thread 30/
Realistic daily cost:
Fuel $10M*
Artillery $119M**
Mortar $24M**
Missiles $120M
Oth ammo $8M**
Compensation $23M
Mercenaries $1M
Equipment lost $230M
Total daily cost: $539M
* 2/3 of maximum daily
* 1/4 of maxium daily
Realistic daily cost:
Fuel $10M*
Artillery $119M**
Mortar $24M**
Missiles $120M
Oth ammo $8M**
Compensation $23M
Mercenaries $1M
Equipment lost $230M
Total daily cost: $539M
* 2/3 of maximum daily
* 1/4 of maxium daily
Russia War Costs Thread 31/
Let's pause here for 2 observations
You may have seen sensational stories claiming this war costs Russia $1 Billion dollars per day. The math can be used to claim that level, yes. But it assumes absurd & unsustainable level of ammo & fuel expenditure
Let's pause here for 2 observations
You may have seen sensational stories claiming this war costs Russia $1 Billion dollars per day. The math can be used to claim that level, yes. But it assumes absurd & unsustainable level of ammo & fuel expenditure
Russia War Costs Thread 32/
But MOST of all, because of Ukraine's magnificent ability to destroy & capture Russian equipment, and all other costs, this Russian invasion war in Ukraine IS costing about half a BILLION dollars
PER DAY.
It is BY FAR the costliest war of all time
But MOST of all, because of Ukraine's magnificent ability to destroy & capture Russian equipment, and all other costs, this Russian invasion war in Ukraine IS costing about half a BILLION dollars
PER DAY.
It is BY FAR the costliest war of all time
Russia War Costs Thread 33/
Now that we have my 'model' let's map out two scenarios
We know Putin had a 3 day plan to win the war in Ukraine, & if that failed, he intended to encircle & lay siege to Kyiv and bombard it to submission (like we see in Mariupol)
Let's see budgets?
Now that we have my 'model' let's map out two scenarios
We know Putin had a 3 day plan to win the war in Ukraine, & if that failed, he intended to encircle & lay siege to Kyiv and bombard it to submission (like we see in Mariupol)
Let's see budgets?
Russia War Costs Thread 34/
3 Day War would have taken Kyiv. So all Russian army rushes fast to their objectives, consume full fuel to get there, but artillery only uses about 1/3 its alloted ammunition. Putin expected no massive equipment losses or manpower costs. So budget..
3 Day War would have taken Kyiv. So all Russian army rushes fast to their objectives, consume full fuel to get there, but artillery only uses about 1/3 its alloted ammunition. Putin expected no massive equipment losses or manpower costs. So budget..
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3 Day War, daily cost:
Fuel $15M
Artillery $157M*
Mortar $31M*
Missiles $120M
Oth ammo $10M*
Compensation $0M
Mercenaries $0M
Equipment lost $0M
Total daily cost: $333M
3 DAY WAR TOTAL COST: $1 Billion dollars
* 1/3 of maximum daily
3 Day War, daily cost:
Fuel $15M
Artillery $157M*
Mortar $31M*
Missiles $120M
Oth ammo $10M*
Compensation $0M
Mercenaries $0M
Equipment lost $0M
Total daily cost: $333M
3 DAY WAR TOTAL COST: $1 Billion dollars
* 1/3 of maximum daily
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Vladimir Putin's budget for this 3 day war was quite clearly $1 Billion dollars. That is why it was 190,000 men, rather than 200,000... it is clear, this $1 Billion is the magic number he believed in, and told his army to plan for .. oopsie?
Vladimir Putin's budget for this 3 day war was quite clearly $1 Billion dollars. That is why it was 190,000 men, rather than 200,000... it is clear, this $1 Billion is the magic number he believed in, and told his army to plan for .. oopsie?
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How about Putin's 'Plan B'? If the 3 day war failed, he intended to encircle Kyiv, lay siege to it, plant a minefield around it to prevent civilians from escaping & then bombard the capital of 3 million to submission. Like he did to Grozny in Chechnya
How about Putin's 'Plan B'? If the 3 day war failed, he intended to encircle Kyiv, lay siege to it, plant a minefield around it to prevent civilians from escaping & then bombard the capital of 3 million to submission. Like he did to Grozny in Chechnya
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Putin intended to do same to all major Ukrainian cities, as we see in Mariupol (9 weeks later, Mariupol has not fallen - #SlavaUkraini - #HeroiamSlava)
Russia tried to encircle Kharkiv (failed) and never made it to try same at Odesa.
Putin intended to do same to all major Ukrainian cities, as we see in Mariupol (9 weeks later, Mariupol has not fallen - #SlavaUkraini - #HeroiamSlava)
Russia tried to encircle Kharkiv (failed) and never made it to try same at Odesa.
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The other cities kind of didn't matter, if Putin could lay siege to Kyiv, then the destruction of Kyiv would symbolize all of the fall of Ukraine
Let's budget this, along roughly Grozny numbers, scaled to Kyiv
The other cities kind of didn't matter, if Putin could lay siege to Kyiv, then the destruction of Kyiv would symbolize all of the fall of Ukraine
Let's budget this, along roughly Grozny numbers, scaled to Kyiv
Russia War Costs Thread 40/
Siege of Kyiv Daily Cost:
Fuel $2M*
Artillery $48M**
Mortar $10M**
Missiles $0M
Oth ammo $3M**
Compensation $0M
Mercenaries $0M
Equipment lost $0M
Total daily cost: $63M
6 MONTH WAR TOTAL COST: $11.3 B dollars
* 10% daily
** 1/3 in Kyiv, fire 1/3
Siege of Kyiv Daily Cost:
Fuel $2M*
Artillery $48M**
Mortar $10M**
Missiles $0M
Oth ammo $3M**
Compensation $0M
Mercenaries $0M
Equipment lost $0M
Total daily cost: $63M
6 MONTH WAR TOTAL COST: $11.3 B dollars
* 10% daily
** 1/3 in Kyiv, fire 1/3
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Remember, Putin assumed his air force would decimate Ukraine's, so the missile no longer needed after Day 3. All of Ukraine would be overrun by his troops so no need to maneuver. He expected smaller towns to fall fast
So only Kyiv needed bombardment
Remember, Putin assumed his air force would decimate Ukraine's, so the missile no longer needed after Day 3. All of Ukraine would be overrun by his troops so no need to maneuver. He expected smaller towns to fall fast
So only Kyiv needed bombardment
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And one last thing, as this is Plan B, of course our cost of Plan B is on top of cost of Plan A. $1 Billion plus $11 Billion = $12 Billion.
If Putin failed to grab Ukraine cheaply for $1 Billion, he could still get Ukraine for a bargain cost of $12 B
And one last thing, as this is Plan B, of course our cost of Plan B is on top of cost of Plan A. $1 Billion plus $11 Billion = $12 Billion.
If Putin failed to grab Ukraine cheaply for $1 Billion, he could still get Ukraine for a bargain cost of $12 B
Russia War Costs Thread 43/
Putin thought he could take Ukraine in 3 days, and his war would cost $1 Billion. His 'Plan B' would take 6 months, cost $12 B
Reality is that in 2 months this war cost Russia $34 B, adding $1 B more every 2 days. A war he cannot win
#SlavaUkraini
Putin thought he could take Ukraine in 3 days, and his war would cost $1 Billion. His 'Plan B' would take 6 months, cost $12 B
Reality is that in 2 months this war cost Russia $34 B, adding $1 B more every 2 days. A war he cannot win
#SlavaUkraini
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In just the first 8 hours since I posted this Thread on Russian costs of Ukraine war, you have spread it so widely it has been read by over a quarter of a million people on Twitter
Vastly beyond my own reach of 150K ..on a Saturday!
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