Thread by @ClarkJoeDCEU

It’s a new Monday, so time for a new entry into the #BatmanvSuperman references the DC lore series. Today, I cover the scene The Manor and references to different Batman comics/media in the 🧵 below! #RestoreTheSnyderVerse #BvSMondayMood

Broadly speaking this scene relates to the episode “I am the Night” from Batman: The Animated Series and also comic storyline Batman: The Return of Bruce Wayne.

So, let’s start from the first of these connections. Many people have pointed out that the dialogue between Bruce and Alfred in the movie resembles closely the one in the animated series, especially when they are talking about Bruce fighting criminals.

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Interestingly, the BTAS episode also contains two scenes that are also connected to the dialogue in The Manor. First, Batman mentions he’s going hunting similar to Bruce’s words about going to kill Superman in #BvS.

Second, Batman mentions the age of his father. In the animated series it’s in connection to Jim Gordon’s age, while in #BvS is about him being older than his father ever was. Three references to just one BTAS episode makes me think it definitely inspired part of this scene.

Despite the similarities between series and movie, there are some noteworthy differences I wanted to highlight. To start, the dialogue between Alfred and Batman kickstarts the BTAS episode. In the movie The Manor scene takes place just when Bruce is at his lowest.

Additionally, in the BTAS episode, Bruce/Batman has Dick Grayson (Robin). When Bruce is at a low Alfred has never seen, he calls Dick to help him.

And while Bruce initially is decided to give up on Batman, it’s Dick the one who shows him that he has to keep doing this because he’s doing good in the world and he shouldn’t give up.

In #BatmanvSuperman, what we know is that a Robin has died, and Bruce (aside from Alfred) is quite lonely and definitely does not listen to anything Alfred is saying to him. So, his downfall is in a way much harder

These differences reflect choices in the movie to set up these characters in a very realistic world. @itsmukil usually makes this point in his threads. Also like this article (written by @BradCurran) on how Robin being dead is important for Bruce's arc bit.ly/3oahtHu

So, that covers the BTAS part of this thread. Let’s now turn to Batman: The Return of Bruce Wayne. The relationship to this comic comes from Bruce Wayne’s family history. In #BvS Bruce mentions them making money initially through hunting and selling pelts.

In the comic storyline, Bruce Wayne visits the past and several of his relative and we see some hunting (even some witch hunting) and the use of (bat) pelts especially in the first comic where he visits the Paleolithic era.

This alone might be a stretch of a reference, but there is something that made me include it in the thread. This storyline (from Gran Morrison) follows Final Crisis. And Bruce Wayne goes back to the past as a result of being hit by Darkseid’s Omega beams.

Curiously, Zack Snyder has hinted towards a continuation of #ZackSnydersJusticeLeague that contains several homages to Final Crisis, especially Bruce being hit by the Omega beams. #RestoreTheSnyderVerse

Of course, we can never know, but maybe in Zack Snyder’s mind there was a possibility for Bruce to go back to the past and meet some of his initial relatives, those that made their money hunting and trading pelts and skins. Who knows? #RestoreTheSnyderVerse

And that’s a wrap for today’s scene. Remember if you like this thread or any previous ones, consider donating to the @afspnational Autumn Snyder Fund. Every small amount counts to raise awareness for this cause! supporting.afsp.org/index.cfm?fuse…