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Jul 27 19 tweets 11 min read
#MarsburgVirusIsAirborne
#MVDisAirborne
#MARVisAirborne

Logically, mechanistically, and as shown in studies.

This pic below? The WHO is trying to get ahead of this one.

Unfortunately, for them, scholar.google.com has the right stuff to blow down their house of cards.
A little dark humor to start, because, really, how many lies do we have to catch them in?

(As always, I am fan of public health. Not a fan of political health as the CDC is under Walensky and Redfield).

First study...

Approximately 90 minute viability in the usual Goldberg drum. At a very rough glance because this first step of the dance is boring.

Anywho, MVD is not very stable, thankfully.

As seen below, aerosol transmission possible.

mdpi.com/1999-4915/14/4…
Next... Our monkey pals. Does MVD cause damage to the lungs, where aerosols are produced?

Not at first, but we see filoviruses like MVD use the aerosol route.

Later on, we see the lung pathology. Lots of it.

Yes, lungs involved (aerosols).

mdpi.com/1999-4915/8/4/…
Another bunch of monkeys.

Exposed to aerosolized MVD. Died.

Establishes that if virus gets into URT or LRT, can cause infection in nonhuman primate.

Also, this breed is a very good stand in for humans in respiratory disease testing.

We die, too.

journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.11…
Same study... inhalation is not a "prominent" method of transmission.

But it is possible.

So, if there is a remote possibility of me catching a disease with 50% fatality?

You can bet that your boy will be in a 3M 6800 full face N100.

And so should you.
Symptoms of Marburg include vomiting.

Guess what generates huge amounts of aerosols? (Vomiting - don't tell @RWalensky, let's let it be a surprise.)

cdc.gov/vhf/marburg/sy…
Symptoms also include coughing. Thank you, Mayo Clinic.

Guess what generates huge amounts of aerosols?

Coughing. (Fine - breathing, talking, laughing, singing, all produce aerosols.)

mayoclinic.org/diseases-condi…
We can take a look at our villian's origin story. Oops, they said aerosols.

That will disappear soon. Web. Archive.Org is our friend!

cdc.gov/vhf/marburg/tr…
Something to consider. The @CDCgov and @WHO's contact trace methods are based on direct contact.

They wouldn't know how to use the Gesundheit 2 to save @DrTedros's reputation. Or how to do full traces, including everyone in the room. Or in the next room.

To use smoke.
So, all of those epi studies?

About as useful as @RWalensky 's magical 5 day isolation policy, when trying to rule out airborne transmission.

How about this? You nay-sayers, explain the origin of the 6 foot distance rule. The 15 minute transmission rule used today.
I can explain where they come from, can you?

Sorry if I am being aggressive.

We have sat around for far too long. I am calling it like I see it, and it's all self-reinforcing bullshit.

I am talking directly to you, John Conly and others of his ilk.

Get out of the damn way.
Let me show you what I mean by self-reinforcing.

In this fascinating treatment of a lost case of Marburg, the authors explore how the wife got infected.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…
Notice how they did not discuss the fact they were breathing the same air?

Instead, they bent over backwards to pull a sexual event out of a medical article written after the fact.

Which just might have been crass boasting.

Who knows?

In any event, our attention is now
focused on sex and fluids.

Ignoring the 22,000 breaths they took back then per day - and we all still take (H/T @kprather88 for that fun factoid).

One final note for now.

Elite Panic. That is when the elite panic that the common person will freak out.
Let's stop that, right the eff now, @RWalensky @ashishkjha. Enough. Grow up.

Just tell us the truth. Because they did that here 👇👇. And it went just fine - when they were matter of fact.

When they told half-truths, as in Germany 👇, people lost their minds.
Oh, btw?

It's also transmitted all the usual ways as well.

Sexually, fomites, droplets, butterfly kisses (eye to eye).

But fortunately, it's just not too transmissible.
Not yet.
I sure did. Unlike the CDC, I don't delete uncomfortable truths.

(Though I believe my godforsaken Autocorrect did that to me.)

But - it is my responsibility, so my apologies!

Thank you, @Lysistrata2022

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More from @LazarusLong13

Jul 26
Let's take a second and observe that it's still early in the CoVid pandemic, and we could still snuff it out - assuming the CDC and WHO are giving us the right tools.

Oops, meant to say Monkeypox.

Let's take a look at the most important tool that they are not giving us.
First off, Monkeypox is airborne. Period. Go back to the first tweet if any doubts.

I welcome debate on this topic, so pipe up.

How does the CDC tell us to avoid monkeypox?

Not one word about masks.

(H/T @0bj3ctivity for the idea of this 🧵).

cdc.gov/poxvirus/monke…
Huh. What did THE CDC monkeypox expert, Dr. Andrea McCollum say about masks, previously?

In an article titled, "COVID-19 Masks Helped Thwart Monkeypox Outbreak, Expert Says, " she said masks helped.

Just to clarify, droplets do not take time to work. Aerosols do.
Read 9 tweets
Jul 26
So... Unless a CO had sex with an inmate, which is not entirely implausible, we gonna say it's airborne, yet?
Getting some push-back - fair enough.

Let me detail farther why this a bigger deal than you think.

We only need to turn to how they deal with CoVid - which or may not be airborne to Shrodinger's @CDCgov .

Now, MPX is supposedly not airborne? Where

injusticewatch.org/news/prisons-a…
could we find
another example of a jail not treating an airborne disease as if it's airborne?
Read 6 tweets
Jul 25
Looks like cleaning is back with MPX.

A quick how-to.
Build a big box. Seal with with calk around internal edges. Use window ribbon call where the door closes on the frame.

Paint.

Bare wood inhibits the formation of ozone. Wrong terminology, but gives the idea.
There will be gaps on the inside- good. Also drill holes. This will allow the box to fill.
Read 14 tweets
Jul 25
It's not often @sailorrooscout and I find ourselves kind of on the same side of an issue.

They will probably not appreciate my airborne position (will link in the end), but we can agree to disagree in that case.

@benryanwriter is intent on reporting

according to official reports?

Interesting. Because back on June 5, his position seems pretty solidified.

Advanced search:
mobile.twitter.com/search?q=from%…

Direct link so you can see full context.



What has happened since June 5th?
The CDC removed recommendations for masks on June 6th

Seems to support Ben's position, correct?

beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/…
Read 15 tweets
Jul 24
A science writer not engaging on content? On multiple studies that have been provided with clear screenshots and links to the studies?

Rather, attacking a position by calling it misinformation?

An interesting tactic - but
/1
one easily beaten by simply pointing it out.

The gish gallop he deployed is also easily beaten, by drawing the audience's attention to the simple fact that he gish galloped past that thread.

The problem for Benjamin is that pretty much every single major Public Health
/2
organization had monkeypox as airborne.

Until it became a pandemic.

Was there a sudden onslaught of studies to justify downgrading it to droplet? No.

When I go down the airborne path I also check for droplet and fomite studies. I would be happy to be shown one showing MPX /3
Read 4 tweets
Jul 22
Let's play...

Guess the disease.

Might want to not play if you don't like looking at skin conditions.
"Come on, Laz. Stop monkeying around. I know this disease. "
"wait..."
Read 8 tweets

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