Thread by @kurtwuckertjr

Granath VS Wright Day 🔥3🔥 Master Thread.

Exam of Granath & Wright.

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Busier day today. Probably twice as many people in court as the first 2 days.

Granath walks to stand.

Judge: "Please remain standing for a little while."

Curiously long delay, imo. Still standing...

First time hearing his voice. He says he's a writer for Citadel21 Magazine. No mention of being Blockstream's account manager at Seetee...

Judge explaining his obligation to the truth on his "honor and conscience."

He affirms.

Judge: "Files are HUGE for our computers..."

She puts IT on standby, and there's concern about computers crashing, etc... Must be lots of scanned docs and such... Gallery monitors also not working.

SIDE NOTE: Big data, folks...

Granath: "45 years old. Trained in IT. Decided to be a school teacher. I was on leave in summer 2018 (LOOK INTO THIS. WHY ON LEAVE?). Citadel21 is a Bitcoin Culture Magazine. Art, philosophy, etc..."

"When I discovered bitcoin, I was on bitcointalk and r/bitcoin a lot."

"I didn't want to use my personal acct on Twitter in case bitcoin became very valuable, so I made anon acct."

"Slowly, I got into trading shitcoins to accumulate more bitcoin and made the acct more popular."

"I was always interested in tech. Got my first computer at 8-9 y.o."

"Commodore 64, etc... Discovered bitcoin in 2013. But was interested in monetary politics much earlier. Fascinated by the fixed supply. As a kid, I noticed ice cream got more expensive every year, but bitcoin was lone in not being able to be copied/inflated."

"Bitcoin was the 1st crypto. Then Litecoin, Namecoin, etc... Bitcoin has NO leader. That's different. Ethereum's founder has immense power, for example."

"Bitcoin hardware is very cheap so it's very decentralized."

Attny asking: "What about Satoshi?"

Granath: "I have enormous respect for the person or persons behind bitcoin, but the Genesis block message is about separation of bank/state."

"I NEVER IDOLIZED SATOSHI."

"He came across as a nice, humble person; committed to his or their project."

"Craig Wright has been loud, but people speculate Hal Finney and Nick Szabo. I believe it isn't important and NEVER LOOKED INTO IT."

"I get DMs from people all the time claiming to be Satoshi. They're asking to help me in this case. I don't believe them either."

"First time I heard about CSW was in 2015. Conference w/ Szabo. Not sure how he ended up there and argued with Szabo about Turing completeness. I don't understand what that is... but CSW challenged Nick - a highly respected person in bitcoin."

"Then he was doxed"

Judge: What is that?

"Like me, it's when your privacy is revealed."

"My suspicion was that he was fake, and his forgeries have confirmed Craig is just sloppy forger. Signing proofs were interesting... Personally, I wondered why he didn't do a Charlie Lee"

"Creator of LTC signed a message to show he was the creator of LTC. That's the right way to do it."

"The Economist or maybe GQ had a cryptography expert who said CSW's signings were NOT good enough."

"CSW became aggressive..."

"Skepticism set in. The Guardian used the word 'fraud' to explain CSW and his signings."

"So many BIG PEOPLE in crypto agree he's a fraud. THERE IS CONSENSUS ABOUT IT!"

"People in conferences even ask 'why is this fraud here?!'"

"People with millions of followers agree too."

"There's STILL consensus too. Every important person agrees. Charlie Lee too! Over a million followers on twitter, and he tweeted that CSW is a fraud.

This is the consensus. He is a fraud."

"Kaminski, Robert Graham, etc... Experts... Very credentialed cryptographers. They all agree. My opinion is based on my own understanding and that of big personalities that I respect. Experts. Consensus among experts"

SIDE NOTE: Trust the science? Don't trust. Verify?

Please excuse any typos. This is rapid fire.

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"BTC is $20k. and BSV is $50. BSV has lost value! It is sad to think people would hodl it. I am a great believer in owning the real, original bitcoin, but frauds are trying to get people to purchase their fake bitcoin based on their reputation."

Judge asking about tweets in question for the trial now.

NOTE: Format here is very different than US court.

Granath "BCH wanted bigger blocks in 2017, but we must have small blocks to maintain store of value. CSW joined BCH, and then BSV forked from BCH to make 3 bitcoins."

"This is a new fork in 2018. He's really pushy. All of a sudden, the volume of his Satoshi claims went way up so he could promote, imo, his arrogance as being Satoshi and his aggressiveness about it."

Attny: What was the climate like?

Cat: "People were annoyed. People felt that he was a fraud so they would call him a fraud. Many people felt he was shameful. There were many twitter polls asking if CSW was or was not a fraud. The vast majority thought it was all too stupid."

"But it wouldn't end"

Attny: Why don't people trust Andresen and Matonis?

Cat: "Many reasons, but biggest: why make it sooo hard when all you need to do for proof if a simple signing. Everyone would believe - INCLUDING MYSELF."

"We love the truth and verification."

"Appeal to authority is acceptable to bitcoiners. Gavin & John were on the big block side too in the war, so there was a distrust of their credibility too. Everybody believes BTC is actually bitcoin which is something NOT up for discussion. Nobody believes BSV is."

"Only Calvin Ayre people think BSV is bitcoin. Matonis had a VP position at nChain after signing session."

Attny: they haven't withdrawn their opinions though?

Cat: "Gavin said he was maybe bamboozled. It's a meme now. But yes, not a full public withdrawal of their opinions."

"When I saw John and Gavin would be leaned on for this case, I asked Matonis on twitter if he stood by Craig as SN. He didn't answer me."

"CoinGeek is what I consider to be BSV propaganda by Calvin Ayre. He put a price for my identity. BitcoinDotCom is BCH propaganda."

"BitcoinDotCom was aligned in that BCH was bitcoin at the time, and people were selling BCH & BTC, and it was to trick people into buying the wrong bitcoin. This was Roger Ver, Faketoshi and Calvin's plan to trick people."

"Articles on CoinGeek.com are mostly about something detrimental to BTC and giving strange explanations about Craig. It comes across clearly that followers think BSV is bitcoin. CG is a large part of the system for getting that info out there."

"Craig is a sad, pathetic scammer. I really feel this. I was dissappointed and provoked that someone could be allowed to be like him. It was emotional."

Attny: Is he clearly mentally ill?

Cat: "He's shameless. How could he live a life that isn't true for so long & want court?"

"I didn't know he was diagnosed with autism..."

"I wanted to world to know that CSW was a fraud. But I did it with humor for the detriment of CSW because this had gone way too far. This was over in 2016, but he was yet again provoking me with this SN story.."

NOTE: 25 very young people. Highschool kids jst filed in... 🤔

"I retweeted Robert Graham who wrote a blog about how the Sartre signing was fraudulent."

He's explaining retweets vs quote retweets. The internet is something... lol

Ironic: I have tweeted more this week than ever before. Thank you, simulation...

"Everyone thinks he's a fraud. At this point, he had gotten so much attention for being a fraud. Then the threat came that he would sue people for criticizing him, so people were angry at him."

"I started to write CSW is a fraud [he laughs]"

"CSW disappeared from twitter because twitter agreed he was a fraud. I think the company twitter got rid of his account for fraud too."

"Happy CSW is a fraud week [reading tweet on screen]"

"CSW disappeared on day one, and our carnivore maximalist friends and taco maximalist friends started commenting."

"The lightning torch started up, and it became a temporary fulltime job managing the LN Torch. Being a shepherd and being interviewed. It was my focus."

"It was pressure to be such a shepherd..."

"Toxicity is about maintaining user value long term. [he keeps chuckling]. We argue with shitcoiners, and they started calling us toxic for being very vocal maximalists. They would say we aren't open minded or interested in other projects. But we have bitcoin and shitcoins."

"Instead of being angry about being called toxic, we wear it as a badge of honor. Some people compromise, but I wrote an article about how toxicity is a synonym for brutal honesty."

Judge: Good to be brutally honest?

Cat: YES

"It's a wellknown word to bitcoiners. We know what it means. No compromises. If we weren't toxic, bitcoin could become more centralized."

Attny: Does the environment/culture matter for bitcoin's success?

Cat: in 2017, bitcoin companies wanted bigger blocks, but users fought!

"Big money LOST to the users."

"It is strange to think that anything I did could lead to a legal response. I don't want to be in court or have my life turned upside down with this case, but I'm not willing to compromise with CSW's lies."

"I understood that I was between rock and hard place, but I can't compromise."

"I was a small account on twitter until the LN Torch, but I was still relatively small."

"LN brings BTC from 7 TPS to unlimited. We solved bitcoin scaling! BSV is silly, and I became BTC's pet."

"They thought I would easily bend and corroborate CSW's SN claim. They thought I'd be an easy target..."

"I got representation who told me to delete messages. I did. I thought it would be over."

"There was a BSV group taking pictures and looking for me... for a reward"

"I got a phone call from a detective who had docs for me. My lawyer gave my personal data to someone who claimed to be police, but she didn't verify. He was a PI."

"They were keen on getting my name out. I was referred to in very defamatory manner as a crypto troll, alcoholic. Childless person begging for drinks at Christmas... but I got overwhleming support from normal people and real bitcoiners on twitter. I'm so grateful for that."

Attny: Why didn't you just cave and admit CSW SN?

Cat: "It's a huge principle for me. I'll just take the other stuff. All the support I've received... So many peopl ehave my back. It's a responsibility on behalf of bitcoiners."

BREAK TIME BEFORE CROSS EXAM FROM CSW'S TEAM.

And the Cross from Halvor Manshaus

Attny: Hashtags meant to be funny at CSW's expense. Did you care about consequence?

Cat: No.

"You can search for any string of words on twitter, but hashtags make it easier for subjects."

"Hashtags can become trending/popular, but 8k sized accounts like mine are not likely to do this."

Attny: what was the goal of CSW hashtag?

Cat: To have a fun week.

Attny: Why?
Cat: The point is to received and liked by others.

Attny: Holistically, is this how you behave daily?
Cat: No. Check my 27k tweets. My regular tone on twitter is nicer, and I'm even less toxic irl.

Attny: 27k tweets is a lot, huh? No consenqueces for your mean tweets then?

Cat: CSW is mean, so I was mirroring him

Attny: Have you interacted with CSW before this?
Cat: No

Attny: Mentally ill: Do you think you can impact a person with this? Do you think before you use words?

Cat: I didn't think it was harsh.

Attny: You think this is good then?
Cat: No. Not in public.

Attny: If CSW is fraudulently trying to prove SN, what does this mean to you?
Cat: I wrote what I wrote.

Attny: Do you have thoughts about the sessions.
Cat: They're direct fraud

Attny: You mentioned Gavin
Cat: I don't want to reference anyone particular. But twitter general

Attny: You said Gavin enabled this fraud.
Cat: Yes. Everyone in the community knows these sessions were fraud.

Attny: The Sartre post proves what?
Cat: No, I don't know. Bamboozled.

Attny: What's a meme?
Cat: Popular pictures that gain greater meaning. "Bamboozled"

Attny: Gavin thought he was bamb'd? How? What extent?
Attny: Let's read Gavin's whole quote. [reading]
Attny: "I think it's most likely he did not bamb me. He has the key to block 9, most likely"
Attny: What do you think now?
Cat: IDK

Attny: "Most likely, he didn't bamb me. He had the key to block 9. What do you believe?
Cat: He isn't convinced. He's saying more likely than not. If he signed with keys, it's 100% for sure if I verified it.

Attny: Did Gav care about just keys?
Cat: No

Attny: Have you read Gavin's whole blog about it?
Cat: Yes
Attny: You said Chinese is MSG full and then use the hash tag. Did you always use it?
Cat: No. Sometimes I forget.
Attny: Did you substantiate your tweets with references?
Cat: I was part of the attention choir on this

Cat: I make no attempt to qualify, but there was consensus that CSW was a fraud. Bitcoiner consensus. Those who like BTC. Their consensus.
Attny: Rabid and toxic maxis?
Cat: Yes.

Attny: @hlopez_ tweet asking how CSW is a fraud. Why didn't you respond?
Cat: [laughs]
Attny: You reference Ayre's bounty
Cat: I think CSW bounty'd me.
Attny: You said Cal tho?
Cat: IDK
Attny: Do you understand why he felt provoked?
Cat: yes. financial interest.

Attny: So you can call him PedoCalvin?
Cat: I don't know if I should respond.
Attny: He said he sent you a last chance to come clean.
Cat: I wouldn't dox myself for this.
Attny: Did you make counter offers?
Cat: No. For my anonymity.

Attny: But you did delete messages?
Cat: That is different than compromising myself
Attny: Why the strong language?
Cat: The climate of the time, and CSW is worse.
Attny: To what extent does that acquit you?
Cat: When I speak, it is true.

Cat: I speak my mind colorfully. I am trying to be uncensored and speak as things are.
Attny: Tweets from Cat: "How many booster jabs will you get?" Cat: Vaxers are dangerous extremists. Robert Malone is more qualified than anyone on earth on vaxs. Principled and brave.

[showing based anti-coof jab tweets from Cat] quickly and ad nauseam.

"world is crazy and dark, authoritarian."

Peter Mac and Cat hating each other on twitter over vax disagreement and Peter saying "I helped you in your lawsuit"

Cat saying this is different (paraphrased)

Cat: I speak my mind about a lot of things.
Attny: Do you actively stop people from following you?
Cat: No. I can block. I don't block people that call me "antivax nutcase." But if they're not nice over time or if they support BSV, I will block them. It's personal against BSV.

Attny: Do you have several twitter accts?
Cat: TacoPlebCat is the only other.
Attny: Active?
Cat: Yes. When at Seetee, I disabled hodlonaut but I want to see tweets from other account.
Attny: Why delete 'naut?
Cat: I have opinions agains the mainstream of politics/vax, etc..

Cat: Seetee said it was ok though. So it came back. Me and McCormack are back on good terms again. He would come to Norway to help...
Attny: Your DN newspaper artilce mentioned millions in legal fees collected?
Cat: Yes, a nonprofit is raising for me among other BTC projects.

Attny: You use Telegram?
Cat: Yes, Hodionaut with an "I"
Attny: The pleb group I read from, you a member?
Cat: Not sure. Maybe in the past. Lots of groups on TG. I like Taco Carnivore Plebs, but not active.
Attny: That's not what I'm asking.
Cat: IDK

Attny: Do you know EndTheFed?
Cat: No
Attny: Is he on Twitter?
Cat: IDK
Attny: He's opinionated.
Cat: Sure. I don't know him outside of the evidence shown here.

Attny: What do we see here from EndFed and DanDerpPill?
Cat: People alter their profile pic and #weareallhodlonaut. I was anon. They were helping me be anon with a crowd of pics

Showing screenshots of TG groups. 'naut asking for help showing CSW Fraud tweets that precede his campaign.

Mentioning @homelessonmoon twitter acct who was maybe helping compile tweets

Judge: You said it's hard to be against BSV because they have money, and you have been called a childless alcoholic. Why is it worse to be called a crypto troll than a fraud in your opinion?

Cat: I'm not offended. I don't get triggered, but I don't want to be public.

Judge: You have 1000s of tweets. What are your comments about your tweets?
Cat: I feel without context, I look worse than I am. I take responsibility for what I say, but I'm international - not just Norwegian on twitter. I saw vax stuff in China or Trudeau telling kids abt vax.

Cat: I never said defamatory in my life before this case. I am happy to be a crypto troll though. I am loose with labeling others.
Cat: My close friends knew I was hodlonaut. But not colleagues. I wasn't hiding per se, but didn't want it to be public either.

Attny: You believe Andresen was duped?
Cat: Yes. Duped, and that's painful for him.
Attny: It was a big discussion at the time among maxis? Does this have consequences?
Cat: Yes, very painful from maxis.

Judge: Anything you want to say?
Cat: No.

Cat done with exam and cross.

Satoshi taking the stand for his oath. This will be in English.

SIDE NOTE: THANK GOODNESS

SN: "I am chief scientist nChain. CEO of Wright Intl Investments
Judge: Tell the truth. Implies telling everything you know. No concealing, etc... Must state if you're uncertain or don't remember. Lying is punishable. Affirm your evidence is the whole the truth.
SN: I do.

Notably adds "swear to God." He added this in Miami as well.

Halvor Attny: What time did you first see twitter messages.
SN: IDK exact. I was at work. My mother sent me WhatsApp about "these nasty people."
Attny: First time you were called names on internet?
SN: First concerted/organized effort.
Attny: Did you try to stop?
SN: Yes.

SN: I tried to get twitter to enforce resitrictions on my own account. I wanted a private account. Twitter kept removing restriction. I put in a formal complaint to twitter. They believed I violated TOS and deleted my acct.

SN: I made complaints about personal attacks and DMs about family and personal info.
Attny: So not just the cat?
SN: Yes, cat and the other problems.
Attny: "Craig is a sad and pathetic scammer. Deep cringe, etc..." How do you feel about this?
SN: He's saying I'm falsely...

...raising money. That's a fraud. I trained law enforcement and military and work for proescution against fraud. I've never been convicted of any criminal offenses in my life at all.

Attny: What about sad and pathetic cringe?
SN: It's defamatory.
Attny: Is this just heated debate?
SN: There's a difference between being angry and being colluded against.
Attny: Any contact with cat before this?
SN: No

Attny: Did people respond to the call to use antiCSW hashtags?
SN: I got upset about responses about my family including DMs about "slanty-eyed Asian slut wife and raping your half-cast daughter." I got very upset.

Attny: Clearly mentally ill quote. How you feel?
SN: I'm uncomfortable relating to people. I don't like that I'm autistic.
Attny: What about when people say Roger, PedoCalvin and Faketoshi?
SN: Well, it was lowkey, so whatever, but it's not ok for crowds to get behind ideas.

SN: Lots of people supporting bad ideas doesn't make them good.
Attny: What do you think of #craigwrightisafraud week?
SN: It felt like an attack.
Attny: Join celebration, how do you read this?
SN: I'm autistic. I was bullied my whole life. He's encouraging bullying...

SN: this drives people to suicide, etc... He's trying to drive people into submission. My family and colleagues were now involved and commenting daily [in person, not on twitter, I presume]

SN: @jack supports BTC through Square/Block, Lightning, DCG, guys like Granath. Jack closed my account because I'm a competitor.
Attny: "Appreciate rabid, toxic maxis to stop the descent into compromise." What you think?
SN: these are the people who want to rape my wife/daughter

Attny: Was there a response to cease letter through twitter? How did the anon make you feel?
SN: No. I tried to get their accts closed for violent threats. But I was getting pictures of my face with bullet holes in them sent to me with no help from Twitter.

Attny: You offered Granath a settlement offer? What was response?
SN: Summons from Granath to Norway.
Attny: Did you try amicable solution?
SN: Yes.

Attny: Does Cat substantiate his claims?
SN: No, the point is to ignore the truth and swarm me so people don't hear my words about bitcoin, but only hear their maxi hate for bitcoin in exchange for systems like Lightning.

SN: LN doesn't log. They want anon crime money and they are willing to swarm me to silence me.

Attny: We received *new evidence* from MONDAY!!
SIDE NOTE: Granath Attny reeling....
Attny: Slack message about "I hope he [cat] has a heart attack." in regards to costs/fees of suit.

Attny: Who is Toddler? "Screw you Toddler?"
SN: Peter Todd said he was going to crash nChain and take our patents and fire my company.
Attny: Todd: "CSW is a plagiarist too" You and Todd have spoken before?
SN: They put my Law dissertation on twitter and sent letter to University

SN: University cleared me, but they still call me plagiarist.
Attny: Do you use strong language.
SN: I can over-react when attacked, yes.
Attny: Do you start discussions with strong language?
SN: I can be harsh about the truth like Monero founder a fraud, for example.

SN: But he's a fraud, so it's fair.
Attny: Tweet about Hodl being a ponzi. Mentioning Lee and Lopp.
SN: I was friendly with @Lopp, but it got bad when pumping became the culture, etc...

Attny: You're from Australia?
SN: Brisbane, yes.
Attny: Grandfather relationship?
SN: Incredibly close. 6 days a week with him. Mom worked multi jobs. He was cryptographer, and gave me math/comp problems to solve. {tearing up talking about grandfather memories}

SN: He was trained by Marconi and his Masters is classified because of what he created for the government.
Attny: D Lynam's testimony mentioned Enigma.
SN: Yes, grandpa cracked the Japanese version of the Enigma code.
Attny: You like Japanese culture?

SN: MacArthur sent my grandfather to set up radio and such in Manila before the invasion of Japan, and I grew up hearing the stories of him embedded in a military unit there where he grew to appreciate their culture, etc...

Attny: Is this why you started to use SN handle?
SN: I have used other Japanese aliases as well, but yes.
Attny: What's your relationship with Max Lynam?
SN: He's my cousin, same age. We would communicate over UNIX com and DARPA systems, etc... Summers were spent with Max.

Attny: Interest in coding?
SN: I've been programing since 1979. Involved in developing internet protocols like DNS in the 80's. Joined airforce in late 80's. Founded ISP in 1991. Sold it to a larger ISP Pegasus. Then worked for Aussie Stock Exchange in cybersecurity.

SN: Set up Nipper network for stock exchanges. First P2P broker communication network. "Alice and Bob" make an appearance lol. I started DeMorgan to contract to the Exchange. It was small. Max 32 people on staff. Very lean.

Attny: witness coming later. What did you do for him?
SN: Vodaphone. We created their firewall control system and all the systems that connected to the internet for 1-1.5 million people. Cisco couldn't build it. We built it custom. We modified it for other companies as well.

SN: We did the Aussi Olympics in 2000. We were an IBM partner in Aus, worked for the NSW Police, etc...

Attny: Did you do hardware too?
SN: Not really. Just systems and management.

Attny: Lassetter's?
SN: 1st licensed casino online. I set up their security infra & payments

Attny: Uncle said you made payments for them?
SN: They had restrictions globally, so they couldn't move money from Malaysia or Europe. I was working on a token-based payment system for them.
Attny: Critics say this is all false.
SN: DeMorgan was a public company with audits

SN: We had to report to the exchange, the gov and we had ops in 3 countries.
Attny: What is Blacknet?
SN: Secure, economic internet protocol concept. Credit cards don't work for microcommerce. I wanted to create a low cost internet with integrated payments system.

Attny: When BDO?
SN: 2004(ish). I needed accounting knowledge. Not academic but commercial experience. I went there as MIS but became head of computer forensics and audits and fraud detection. We were engaged by South Aus police to track anon child groomers.

SN: I was helping police put pedos in jail.
Attny: Do you code?
SN: Yes.
Attny: What do you prefer?
SN: C Languages. I like C# (Microsoft version), but today, primarily in Python.
Attny: Gavin said you have "old style?"
SN: Sure, from the 1980's with military and stocks

SN: It's a very conservative approach.
Attny: Open source tooling?
SN: I prefer visual studio (Microsoft again)

TAKING A BREAK

BACK!

Discussing the steps to organize various ideas from computer, auditing, etc... Into his token system.

"I went to Alan Grainger at BDO to go over our triple entry log system to stop fraud...."

SN: There were problems to solve. Bitcoin isn't crypto - it's open; auditable.

There are only 12 nodes mining bitcoin. 3 nodes control over 50% of the hash power in BTC.

SN: But I made an MVP of bitcoin - "a toy version" - around my property, and once I knew I could make it work, I started to write it up.
Attny: What is this?
SN: I do most of my writing on paper. I'm old school. These were my notes on bitcoin

SN: I use software called "Dragon" for speech dictation and typewriter for edits.
Attny: First version is 80 pages?
SN: Maybe longer, but people who saw it said to cut it down.

Aug 2017 written note draft.

Attny: How many versions?
SN: IDK. Maybe 30, maybe more...

Attny: What were you trying to solve?
SN: Small casual payments. That's holy grail. Big blocks, data centers and global small payments.
Attny: This one changes pens. Why?
SN: Maybe it was a different day, or maybe I just moved to a different place. Not sure.

ATTNY: What are these minutes?
SN: Alan Grainger, my boss at BDO. I showed him what I was working on here. I wanted BDO to help me fund my work on bitcoin.
Attny: At BDO?
SN: Yes, in Alan's office meeting room. August 2007.

Attny: What is POC?
SN: Proof of concept
Attny: Why?
SN: Hadn't chosen block time, script, etc...
Attny: AG?
SN: Alan Grainger.
Attny: Why ask for their help?
SN: they had huge computers that I would have liked to use for testing.

Attny: What's this?
SN: Network model. Interconnectivity between nodes. Small world network. Not a mesh like the internet.
Attny: What's stats?
SN: I was working on my masters in statistics. I tried to use bitcoin in my dissertation, but it was rejected.

Attny: Did BDO invest or help?
SN: No, but Grainger intro'd me to other valuable people. Neville Sinclaire, Ian (maybe Fergeson) in corporate finance (partner).
Attny: How far were you on the paper then?
SN: IDK. Maybe ten pages or something.

Attny: did you share drafts?
SN: My uncle, Stefan, some of my university or coder friends... Wei Dai, Adam Back, etc...
Attny: When did you start to use SN alias?
SN: I think 2005
Attny: Will these people remember receiving the copy?
SN: Not all, but some, yes.

Attny: When send to Lynam?
SN: Early. Alpha early. He said it was terrible.
Attny: Max too?
SN: Yes. I wasn't happy about feedback lol
Attny: What about the code?
SN: I shared with Ray Dillinger, Hal Finney, Dustin Trammel (Trimmel?) Sp? Ran mostly fine for me. Not great tho

SN: Mark Turner in Aus was a code friend. He was a UI guy and said it was ugly. I sent out segments in Nov '08 for other people to check out.
Attny: Did Lynams see code?
SN: I had an FTP that I gave them, but I wasn't monitoring who downloaded what. So, IDK. Logs though maybe.

Attny: Had a Dell XPS "hot" computer?
SN: Yes, Jan 2009, Don ran it.
Attny: How many versions of papers and code?
SN: More than 7
Attny: Anything to know about the process?
SN: I had consecutive and mixed versions and largely ran out in the Sydney back country...

Attny: Why did you leave BDO and such?
SN: I had an opportunity to interview with Bing (Microsoft) and was pursuing that a bit. I took BDO's redundancy package, and considered selling bitcoin to Microsoft (he laughs).

Attny: Why the genesis block quote?
SN: I got the Times for free from Northumbria. I was using it as a time stamp. The article itself is a threat of bank nationalization. The article isn't anti-bank. It's anti-nationalization.

Attny: Why though?
SN: It's an anchor point showing no premine, but the block itself can't have existed before Jan 3. It's a public attestation that there wasn't a secret chain or coins made before that date.
Attny: What was your plan? Become rich and retire?
SN: No.

SN: I didn't think it would hit $1000 in my lifetime. I thought the big thing was small payments at volume. The tax office treated this as a hobby, for example. I won that case in 2013, and the price was a lot higher, but it was a surprise.

Judge: What was the ATO situation? Costs?
SN: I filed my returns late and had a bunch of expenses and R&D claims. We had no revenue and $2m in claims. The ATO saw it as an audit opportunity.

Attny: Did you want people to hodl?
SN: I was focused on tokenization and payments.

SN: It's embarassing, but I was in talks with porn sites. That's how the internet got bootstrapped.
Attny: Who was mining?
SN: Early, it was me, Hal, Justin, Martti... It wasn't about hodl. Mining is about validating txns. Explains double spending with written check analogy.

[Judge nodding and smiling. She clearly likes the concept.]
Attny: Electric costs got big quickly?
SN: Kind of. When GPU came out and pooling in 2011, but before that, it was a lossy practice in money/electric.

Attny: Relationship with Gavin?
SN: Working relationship. No family stuff. He respected that I kept private. He just loved coding. Gavin was remarkable. RPC didn't really exist in full when I was coming up. I learned secure coding but didn't know a few new ideas that he did.

SN: "I loved him!"
Attny: Why did you give him admin privilege?
SN: Well, I did on SourceForge, which is hierarchal. I had primary admin. He had secondary admin. When I was gone, small blockers convinced him to move to GitHub. They didn't have root, so set up a new one.

Attny: Why admin priv?
SN: I mean it, I really liked him. Gavin likes interacting with other people, and like me, he let's people take advantage of him.
Attny: 2011-2015, what were you doing?
SN: My 1st marriage had problems cuz bitcoin. She wasn't happy about my work.

SN: Adding the tax office, etc... She wasn't a "happy camper." We started a divorce. Then the tax office fight cost $2m, and I started Panopticrypt to improve script and code for tokenization of things atop bitcoin.
Attny: So still working on bitcoin?
SN: Yes, related tech

SN: Went to David Bridges(?) to work on bringing SWIFT into the future, etc...
Attny: June 2015, why enter into agreement?
SN: More tax office problems. I needed management help and IP help.
Attny: Who helped?
SN: Stefan Matthews then Rob McGregor.

SN: He had a remittance program idea for bitcoin. We were working on it.
Attny: IP got transferred?
SN: It was the most critical thing in my life. 30 years of work.
Attny: Chief Science Officer? From CEO to employee?
SN: Yes, I loved it. A perfect job for me.

Attny: Why are there two agreements?
SN: DeMorgan was public. Baker/MacKenzie did it for us.
Attny: Did they know you were SN?
SN: Stefan did. He told Rob.
Attny: Did you discuss a reveal?
SN: Yes, eventually, but I won't repeat the exact words.

Attny: What was the move to UK like?
SN: Son was in uni, wife came a little later, then me.
Attny: Nov '15, they theorize you doxed yourself?
SN: It was terrible. I didn't want this. They painted me as bad. Why would out myself as a tax cheat, etc?

Attny: Did you talk to them?
SN: Someone got my cell#, and I cursed him out and hung up.
Attny: Journalists used other sources. Who?
SN: I don't know all of them, but I know Ira Kleiman talked. Not sure who else.

Attny: When did you meet O'Hagen?
SN: Jan 2016ish.
Attny: What was the plan? Patents, platform, book? Lots of stuff?
SN: We were 57% of the way through our patent process. We weren't near finishing yet. We wanted a boost somehow. But then book stuff leaked, and I was outted.

SN: People in my yard, etc... It was awful. McGregor changed tone from IP over a decade to trying to flip the IP to google for a billion, etc...
Attny: What about the Gavin and John signings?
SN: I didn't like this at first. But like a frog being boiled, I agreed eventually.

SN: But they were moving goal posts on me. BBC, for example, wasn't supposed to have cameras.
Attny: @Lopp debate on twitter: "How many wrongs make a Wright?" List of bullets. We ask Wright to confirm if bullets have evidence around them. The internet gets fuel from these posts

From Bitcoin Magazine: What's your take, Craig?
SN: He says it was SN using James Donald as a foil to advocate for small blocks circuitously.
Attny: Is Lopp neutral?
SN: No. Small blocker with a company that needs Lightning.
Attny: Do you exagerate your academics?

SN: No, I've never told the public my full list of accolades.
Attny: "CSW technical errors... He doesn't understand the tech." Do you make errors, or disagree?
SN: I disagree with his changes that guys like Lopp made.

Attny: Lopp: He doesn't look/sound/write like SN
SN: Gavin disagreed.
Attny: What about text analysis?
SN: that's banned for use in US court because it's unreliable.
Attny: Satoshi said he's not a lawyer.
SN: I finished law college in 2014.

Attny: Lopp: Satoshi used the word "cryptocurrency"
SN: No, I use the word cryptocurrency differently in 2010 than it means now.
Attny: Are Lopp's arguments weighty?
SN: They're fluff
Attny: Lopp: Satoshi better w/ code than words.
SN: I can write code like an academic, yes.

SN: I learned in the 1980's, but guys like Gavin were better, for example.
Attny: Lopp: Anon conflict between SN and CSW?
SN: Privacy and anon are different. bitcoin isn't anon on purpose. Satoshi was private pseudonymous. Like the writer of Don Quixote. Mark Twain was pseudonym

Attny: Is Hodlonaut a pseudonym?
SN: Similar, but aiming to be closer to anon.
Attny: In 2011, why "BitCoin" but Satoshi corrected this capitalization?
SN: Satoshi used multiple cap versions. Why? Voice dictation software and editors for blogs.
Attny: Did you use MtGox?

SN: Yes, but Lopp is talking about hodl stuff. I was working on cash stuff. I have spent more bitcoin than anyone.
Attny: Lopp: Satoshi used Base58 what's the characterization?
SN: I didn't like burning coins, he's misunderstanding.

Attny: Lopp: Block size in the header? But it wasn't?
SN: He's mischaracterisation.
Attny: Satoshi didn't care about curve specifics, but CSW has.
SN: There are 70 out of 1000 useful curves. I randomly chose from the 70 I liked.
Attny: Lopp: Never moved coins?
SN: Time/place

Attny: Lopp: Failed simple crypto proof. True?
SN: White paper says identity is fire-walled from identity. You CAN'T prove identity with bitcoin.
Attny: Lopp: Robert Graham criticized Sartre proof.
SN: Sarte didn't accept Nobel price, I didn't accept the SN identity

Attny: Lopp: Backdated blog criticism.
SN: I use other people to post my blogs. currently, I use Sebastian. I don't recall this blog deeply.

Attny: Theres a reference to cryptocurrency here.
SN: I didn't write this in. I wouldn't have called it a cryptocurrency paper. I see "Lynn" too. I wouldn't have removed her name from the final either. I didn't make this edit.

Attny: Reddit sleuth saying domain was purchased after allegedly forged email? Do you remember this email?
SN: I did speak to Dave often, but I don't recall this specific email precisely.
Attny: InfoDefense was purchased later?
SN: I had Active Directory Exchange Server.

SN: It could have updated the stamps when the server was update.
Attny: What is all this?
SN: Dave helped me edit things. We were friends. But Ira tried to make Dave 50% of Satoshi, and this all got messed up.
Attny: KPMG disagrees with your claims.
SN: They're not replicable

SN: I wrote a textbook about this, and their report uses a methodology I would throw out on sight because it can't be reproduced. "When you have nothing, you put more." that's why their report is over 200 pages.

SN: They're contaminating the files.
Attny: they say all docs have been manipulated.
SN: They could say "changed" but "manipulated" implies malice. They don't have that information.

Attny: What do you think is going on with proofs and docs?
SN: People are proof. I want people to come in and attest. Files can only prove so much. People's attestations are more valuable for that reason.
Attny: Hacking is a problem?
SN: Yes, Money/IP involed too. High value

SN: I'm a high value target, and my patents could be replicated and that's worth a lot of money.
Attny: You have a special history with documents. 1.9 million pages in Kleiman case.
SN: Docs were from my corporation(s) included ex-staff, and tons of other people, incs and orgs.

Attny: All public now?
SN: Yes.
Attny: Have you manipulated docs?
SN: No
Attny: Have you instructed anyone to?
SN: No

Attny: Matonis proof. What did he want to see proven?
SN: Keys from blocks 1-12
Attny: Why?
SN: It was believed only SN would be mining. Block 9 was known to be used by SN to send a payment to Hal.
Attny: Did you meet John before?
SN: Yes, conference in Aus.

Attny: What was his response?
SN: Shook my hand, thanked me, then wanted a drink lol
Attny: Gavin session. Where?
SN: Hotel in Coven Garden (sp?)
Attny: Which keys?
SN: Gavin chose the keys
Attny: Could he see everything?
SN: We were together at a table.

Attny: Why not use Gavin's computer?
SN: He could have revealed me. I liked him, but that's too much.
Attny: Where did the laptop come from then?
SN: A computer store, I forget which.
Attny: Who set it up?
SN: Gavin unboxed and set it up.
Attny: Anything else?
SN: OS, Elec

Attny: OS?
SN: Windows 7, Electrum, etc...
Attny: What internet was used?
SN: Hotel Wifi
Attny: What browser?
SN: IE 11
Attny: Did you go to Electrum site?
SN: Gavin downloaded but didn't do PGP sig file. He did do the checksum. Click file, download, install.

Attny: Where's checksum?
SN: On the site.
Attny: Was it quiet?
SN: No, we talked at length. It was nice.
Attny: What did you talk about?
SN: The best time of my life [in tears] bitcoin. [Cat looking uncomfortable]
Attny: Worked well?
SN: Tedious, but yes, it worked.

Attny: They haven't retracted?
SN: No
Attny: Gavin disappointed in some ways. How do you feel about the fallout?
SN: McGregor ran my blog, and told people that I would do things as me. He wanted to force me to do these things. I didn't ever want to be public. "I refused!"

[Cat exiting the room as Craig explaining Sartre turned down Nobel prize and apologizing for being difficult]
Attny: People offered to send you coins to SN accounts to send back. You didn't why?
SN: McGregor pushed this too. We didn't discuss it. I was happy to explain bitcoin

SN: I demonstrated how bitcoin worked.
Attny: Matonis mentions you were doing R&D. Like patents? Universal tokenization system. Can you summarize?
SN: It's essentially an NFT.
Attny: Secure multiparty system storage...
SN: Threshold scheme to create a signature without key.

Attny: If you hadn't been outed in 2015, what would you be doing?
SN: I'd be at 75% of my patents instead of less than 60% today.
Attny: Would you rather be SN or just a researcher?
SN: Easy. I'd be private. "Yay"

Cross Exam from Cat Attny: You said you've never been convicted of anything. But your wikipedia page says 2004, convicted of contempt.
SN: No. It's not criminal in Aus.
Attny: Said 28 days in jail.
SN: I was beligerant in court. Not convicted.

Attyn: You got harsh messages about your wife and daughter. Relevant?
SN: Yes, they mentioned hodlonaut.
Attny: You mentioned in 2017 similar messages.
SN: It had happened but not persistently.
Attny: Changes to docs make you look bad? Which ones?
SN: ATO files, Metadata '15

SN: timestamps are wrong, and things were changed to build Dave's role, for example.
Attny: Dave Kleiman was added to things?
SN: I don't accept transcripts from them.
Attny: Tulip docs?
SN: Yes, some are altered.
Attny: Are there real docs?
SN: Yes, somewhere.

SN: Dave wasn't part of Tulip
Attny: So our docs in this case are not good? Email with tulip attachments. Real?
SN: This appears manipulated.
Attny: You never called bitcoin a cryptocurrency?
SN: In the same way, correct.
Attny: What about 0.3?
SN: that was Martti Malmi

Attny: You remember the subject, but not the text of this email?
SN: I probably wrote some of this, yes. but parts about TOR, for example, must be altered. It looks added to me.
Judge Clarifies.
SN: Yes, the whole sentence.

Tips appreciated to pay for new fingers handcash.me/kurt

Attny: You admit you wrote this?
SN: I said something close to it. That's not the same thing.
Attny: Second laptop in Gavin signing, and email thread. Gavin: I'll bring new laptop and USB. Did you see this?
SN: Maybe. Don't recall if I responded.
Attny: You did.

Attny: Do you have access to the keys to the first 12 blocks of bitcoin?
SN: No
Attny: did you ever?
SN: Yes, I created the algo that made the keys.
Attny: Explain
SN: [Explains complex scheme].
Attny: So cryptography?
SN: Yes sure.
Attny: Could you inlock?
SN: company can

Attny: Can you?
SN: Craig can't. Company has multiple people. They HAVE TO be involved. I can't force them to. I'm not in charge.
Attny: At some point, you had a file with keys?
SN: No. An algo with a password that calcs a key.
Attny:I don't understand. Could you have in '09?

SN: 2009, yes. Tax problems led me to set up the structure for tax purposes. I needed to remove FULL CONTROL to protect myself from taxes.
Attny: How?
SN: Essentially shell companies in shell comapnies. Equador from 2006 Seychelles. I was in gambling and had overseas money.

So, I created companies owned by other companies.
Attny: So when did the change happen
SN: 2011, everything went into trust structure.
Attny: then what?
SN: I lost ALL access until 2020. ATO had a negative finding against me. They tried to foreclose, but I won.

Attny: So your limitation is legal or technical?
SN: Trust structure.
Attny: Trust isn't legal? Trust isn't a thing
SN: It is where I come from. It's its own entity.
Attny: Expert says trust isn't a company.
SN: Lol well, he's wrong.

SN: ATO wanted to bankrupt me and take my assets. I protected my IP by taking all control from myself until 2020. I own it now in full.
Attny: Is this explained in email with Dave K?
SN: No. Not involved.
Attny: So coins returned in 2020?
SN: I wrote this drunk...

Attny: This was written by Dave Kleiman?
SN: [Silence...]
Attny: But you wrote this?
SN: Yes. Drunk.
Attny: Now what?
SN: I have control and have new entities.
Attny: Do you have docs that we haven't seen?
SN: No. Lawyers wrote trust docs.

Attny: Is this a real trust doc?
SN: Maybe part of one, but I don't see a sig.
Attny: Where are docs?
SN: Lawyers? We signed them. Corporate lawyers, myself and my wife... 2011, then updated most years until 2020.
Attny: Are they in this case?
SN: I don't know

Attny: Can you get these documents?
SN: Some. Trust owned many companies in multiple countries.
Attny: Did you sell assets to the trust?
SN: I was the settler. I'm adding assets to the trust to be controlled by trustee.
Attny: Who?
SN: Dennis Myaka (Kenya), Not Uyen or Dave

Judge: is this doc forged?
SN: This doc has nothing to do with my trust.
Attny: What's their role?
SN: Do nothing.
Attny: They own companies they don't control?
SN: Their job was status quo.
Attny: Wright Intl can move coins?
SN: Tulip is a computer program that can unlock

SN: Tulip software, Tulip Trust, but they're different things. Panopticrypt and a few others had keys.
Attny: Docs show who has keys?
SN: Yes, guys like McGregor.
Attny: what would it take to access them?
SN: You don't need the private keys in a shamir scheme.

Attny: How would you access?
SN: Don't need to.
Attny: What?
SN: An algo calculates usable keys
Attny: In 2011?
SN: Yes.
Attny: You had access in 2016?
SN: Yes
Attny: How?
SN: Made requests and got signoff and key slices and legal advice from Baker/MacKenzie

SN: Calculated the first 12 addresses.
Attny: No access now?
SN: A hard drive crapped with some of the slices.
Attny: So what unlocks?
SN: Wallet file.
Attny: In case prep, u said you received keys from Nguyen.
SN: Slices. Slices give access to calculate.

Attny: You needed them from Nguyen?
SN: No, I had them from others.
Attny: u said you destroyed it?
SN: I destroyed my drives.
Attny: What was on there?
SN: 12 keys and other key slices.
Attny: Why destroy?
SN: Bitcoin isn't encrypted. I want to prove it can be seized.

SN: Judges must understand that it can be frozen, seized and returned. I want them to know that 3 nodes control 59% of hash...
Attny: Destroying hard drives proves this?
SN: It's the only way I can't be forced to do it their way!

[empassioned tone]

Attny: Your attorneys said keys, not key slices.
SN: It was translated from Norwegian and then back again. They were slices. I've explained the shamir scheme many times
Attny: Key slices were different than what Uyen said?
SN: She could have helped with access if I didn't have.

Attny: When did you destroy?
SN: Not exactly sure. Right after back from hospital [suicide attempt era?]
Attny: When did you lose access then?
SN: when I destroyed the drives.
Attny: It should be possible to move coins by court order?
SN: IT IS POSSIBLE. PERIOD.

SN: You can change a ledger. Append at entry #X
Attny: Is that your plan to get Satoshi coins via court?
SN: I have plenty of coins and plenty of valuable IP.
Attny: You have taken action about lost coins though?
SN: STOLEN! Thieves are different.

SN: I would need docs showing access going back to 2009 for Satoshi keys.
Attny: So you get Satoshi's 1.1 mil?
SN: That's based on an estimate of internet sleuths.
Attny: So signing for...
SN: People KNEW Charlie Lee when he signed. Identity wasn't in question.

SN: Digital Sig law says start with identity, then sign, then posses, then you own!
Attn: So someone who signs with my password isn't me, right?
SN: Well,

[they're bickering quickly]

SN: You're mixing identity/possession etc.. Access and control are also different. Dread Pirate Roberts defense is used by people to skirt identity, control, etc...

White paper says identity is firewalled, etc...

Attny: So you signed for J and G?
SN: I was forced

SN: I controlled ability to sign. Signing for Gavin doesn't prove I'm Satoshi. Our intimate conversation did. Nobody knew Gavin's emails except Gavin and Satoshi. It was human conversation to establish identity.

Attny: So it's impossible to sign?
SN: Incredibly difficult.

Attny: What would it take?
SN: Tracking down people, etc.
Attny: You won't try?
SN: No
Attny: You didn't keep record to show this signing to someone else?
SN: No, it's antithetical to bitcoin. Identity is firewalled from the blockchain. Period.

SN: We need to show that you don't need keys to access the blockchain. I failed, if we can't show that coins can be moved legally and technically without keys.
Attny: Changing subjects. Sartre Blog. Does this show content for sign?
[lots of bickering about the files]

Lots of back and forth of about whether Sartre and Sartre.text and SN7 are the same thing.
SN: You have assumed that falses.
Attny: Me and a lot of other people.
SN: I did, just not here.
Attny: It says "below"
SN: MmmHmmm. The comment is Satoshi isn't coming back.

SN: I don't want to sign, I'm not signing is the content of that blog post.
Attny: What do you mean by not make it simple?
SN: I'm not going to jump through hoops for Rob or anyone. I'm going to walk people in who knew me and my filings and everything else and prove identity.

SN: Friends, people who knew me when I was coding, etc...
Attny: We need to move on. Email between Gavin and SN?
SN: No. It's Robert writing as me.
Attny: So it's never you from this email?
SN: No. I was in hospital when this sent. Unconscious.
Attny: And this one?
SN: Nope

SN: I attempted suicide. Unconscious. Had my neck sewn up after trying to kill myself. I definitely didn't send this email.
Attny: And this one?
SN: This one is from me.
Attny: Issues with proving SN
SN: I didn't want to do it, and didn't want to be forced.

SN: Rob wanted me on shows and stuff. I didn't want any of it. I don't want the world to know I'm Satoshi. I hate this. I hate Silicon Valley. It's evil. I would kill myself before I'd give myself to Google. You think I'm kidding? You think I want a billion dollars for my soul?

Side Note: Sheesh...

Attny: You talk about bitcoin as if it's a thing already in this written note. But it's not here on this document.
SN: that's the card stock on the back.

Lady attny: How many twitter followers do you have?
SN: Don't know. I don't control it.
Attny: Did you ever?
SN: Yes

Attny: Looks like 70k
SN: Possibly, yes.
Attny: Your tweets are excplicit and strong. Jihan is shit. Hodl is a scammer, eat shit, etc...
SN: Yes.
Attny: You use strong words when attacked?
SN: Yes.
Twitter comment about "why not move coins?" "Eat Shit"

Attny: Was he attacking you?
SN: Yes, just not here. He also sent emails to me and my company about the PGP key on BitcoinDotOrg, etc...
Attny: You called Julian Assange a rapist. Is that fair?
SN: Julian is in prison in the US for tons of things. Rape charges never dropped

SN: I've spoken to the woman, and I believe her!
[Cat with his eyes closed, looking annoyed]
Attny: Strong language double standard here?
SN: Ricardo Spagni is a fraud. Charlie Lee was front running, etc... These people ARE scammers.
Attny: Cat deleted tweets...

SN: LN Torch was still going with the defamatory tweets and Jack Dorsey sending around and all over the internet, it was not stopped.

[cat mouthing "OOOOKKKK]

Attny: what amicable solution is there?
SN: I don't care about people's beliefs about SN. I'm NOT a fraud!

Judge Questions: Signing session. Help me understand why the proof session. Why is that harder than all of this?
SN: It was hard emotionally at the time, but...
Judge: But still, why not solve it all here?
SN: Because nobody will care about the rest; the processes...

SN: I don't want it done! It can't be over. We want witnesses to attest to identity and purpose of bitcoin. This MATTERS TO ME.
Judge: So what then?
SN: I want hundreds of witnesses. The truth of the story, the real story, my story!
Halvor: Was there cameras at BBC?
SN: Yes

Halvor: Why?
SN: I said no cameras. But there were. I only wanted John and Gavin.
Any further thoughts?
SN: This court style is much better than American courts with interruptions all over.

And we’re done!

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