Started listening through the Church Of England synod to check the quality of the "affirm same-sex romance" arguments. Very first one from this AM's stream:
"What we have here is something that doesn't really add up. It doesn't make sense. And what I'm saying is that's okay."
Progs Stop Believing They'll Be The First Ones To Successfully Defy The Law Of Non-Contradiction Challenge (Impossible)
"The crucial question [is] whether people like me who–by our nature and birth are, just like the Gentiles were in Acts, different–can have sex. Are our sexual relationships sinful or do we, like Peter, accept God's command not to call anything impure that God has made clean?"
Imagine being over the hill with gray hair, apparently having been celibate this whole time, and still insisting that you can't live without sex
This guy changed his mind on queer affirmation because, while he was caring for a man dying of AIDS, he felt "this incredible sense of the presence of angels ushering him into heaven." (1/2)
"I'm not ashamed to say, yes, it was that revelatory experience...like Paul's on the Damascus road...that led me to years of prayerful study of scripture, and I began to recognize...I had no need to fear the sexual Other." (2/2)
me looking for the limiting principle that keeps this guy's argument from also affirming the "sexual Other" known as pedos
Romans 14! (an attempt was made)
"Don't permit an argument over what is served or not served at supper, or who wants to get married, and wreck God's work among us. All food is good. Everything God created is good." (1/2)
She ends with a reading of Revelation 7:9
"'A great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages,' and, I will add, genders and sexualities, 'standing before the throne...'"
(Revelation 22:18 could not be reached for comment)
DOPE PREACHER CLIPS: this thread needs some sanity
"I have studied every extant Jewish writing on the subject between 200 BC-200 AD. They are absolutely univocal. They say that any homosexual sex is sin...If [Jesus] did not regard that as sinful, he grossly misled his listeners"
Found the British Kristin Du Mez!
"In the early church debates, marriage did not mean sex...Betrothal, handfasting ceremonies, and bundling were commonplace, all traditions which specifically sanctioned and had liturgies around premarital sexual intercourse..." (1/2)
"So as a historian, no, the church has not taught consistently for 2,000 years that sex outside marriage is a sin...For much of our history, discussions about marriage have not been about sex primarily, but about power." (2/2)
The church should embrace "equal marriage" because Jesus "gives away power"
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James T. Roberson III of Bridge Church NYC denounces the assassination of Charlie Kirk but spends roughly half his statement (and even the following prayer) dragging the man's name through the mud:
This morning before we pray, I want to lean into some of the political tension in our country and the recent assassination of gentleman named Charlie Kirk, who was assassinated this past Thursday, I believe. And I've written out a statement here.
2 Corinthians 10:3-5 reads this way: "For though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but have divine power to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God. And we take every thought captive to obey Christ."
In this text, Paul is reminding us that as believers, our battle is not a physical battle. It's a spiritual battle God has called us to be a part of. And it is therefore not fought with carnal weapons but with spiritual ones. And I think in this political tension that we live in, Charlie Kirk and other political activists, particularly some on the evangelical right, often see ideas and policies that claim to be Christian, but they're fought with in a carnal posture. They're fighting for Jesus with anger and harshness and rage. And the danger of that is when you when you fight spiritual battles in a carnal way, the world responds with that same carnality. It's as if the world says we know how to do worldly better than you.
So, let me be clear. I denounce his assassination veheminently [sic], and we all should. That shouldn't be hard. It's wicked. That's obvious. It is also wicked to celebrate his death. It is carnal to celebrate his death. To lack empathy for someone who doesn't have empathy for you is to live in carnality.
At the same time, while he fought for ideals that he believed were Christian, I also denounced the way he carried himself and especially the way he talked about black people.
So, here's what I want us to remember as a church, what I need all of us to know. People are not defined by their ideology. They are defined by the image of God. Genesis 1 says "God created them in his own image." So here's what we've got to understand. Charlie Kirk, at his core, is not a Republican or a conservative. He is a child of God made in the image of God who has right-wing positions. And as a believer, we're called to see people not politically but spiritually. The Bible says in 2 Corinthians 5, "From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh, even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh." I think we're getting some feedback over here, FYI.
So, let's be clear. We should be grieving with his wife, his kids who have woken up this morning without a father. We should weep with those who weep, and we should be praying for their families. But I also grieve for our country that elevates people into hero status and martyr status so quickly.
Disagreement is not wrong, but it's how we disagree that matters. And my prayer is that we, the people of God, would resist the temptation to fight our battles with carnal weapons. Instead, let us choose a spiritual posture that Christ has given us, because truly, the weapons of our warfare are spiritual and not carnal. Amen. Pray with me.
Father, we pray right now that as we jump into the word here, we do lift up the Kirk family. We lift up those who are weeping this morning. And I pray, God, for a spirit of compassion in this room. Make us wise with what we post online. Make us wise with what we watch online. But just because someone fought for Jesus doesn't mean they fought like Jesus. God, I pray for a spirit of peace. I pray that a spirit of fruit in our community and I pray that we would renounce all elements of the flesh. Now, God, be with us. Speak to us in this time. In Jesus' name. Amen? Amen.
Of course, Roberson is throwing stones in glass houses here. I knew to look him up because in 2020, his was one of the most harsh and angry voices I found. He plagiarized a profane, viral video in defense of riots during a sermon
Roberson is tight with leadership in @NAMB_SBC, will be speaking at a Send Network event this October
1/21/25: The @j29coalition announces its formation, touting a "goal of providing support to theologically conservative pastors"
1/16/25: Caleb Campbell, the leader of J29, publishes an interview with progressive exvangelical April Ajoy, endorsing (without qualification) her book that explicitly states "queer affirming" is the only right and loving position for Christians to take on sexuality.
Campbell even compares her being "hated by evangelical" to Paul and Jesus facing resistance from "the religious elite" in Judea.
@J29Coalition For those who aren't aware, Ajoy is a co-host of The New Evangelicals with Tim Whitaker and in 2022 produced a podcast called "The Non-Binary Marriage" boasting of her husband becoming a cross-dresser. She celebrates Pride Month and explicitly denies the inerrancy of scripture.
@J29Coalition Ajoy's book, endorsed by Campbell, declares: "After years of praying and learning, I am now fully queer affirming and hold to an inclusive faith." She says this position is held by "those willing to choose love over dogma."
A PCA Mission To North America (MNA) employee under Irwyn Ince speaks out in support of the segregated event that has caused controversy in the past week.
Kellie Brown, the MNA staffer who suggested the Trump assassination attempt in PA was "staged," says "safe spaces" for minorities are the reason she remains in the PCA.
Brown and her husband Howard Brown are currently planting a church for the PCA, "Kindred Hope," which advises white Christians to become "allies" and financial backers rather than congregants.
"There's a lot of conversation around diversity. And a lot of, sadly, Christians are saying that we shouldn't have spaces for black folks, that it's divisive and whatnot. And I actually am a testimony that that's just not true.
When minority people have a safe space to be themselves and to share their hearts, and that space is protected and initiated and supported by the majority culture that's around them, then that makes them feel even safer, and it actually pushes us closer to being one church.
And a lot of voices out there would lie and manipulate that and make it seem like it creates divisiveness, but Christ Central is a testimony that that's just not true. And I'm still here in the PCA after 30-some odd years because of safe spaces and places like you had with Pastor Omari [Hill, of Perimeter Church] and other brothers to help navigate."
At Christ Central, the church plant she touts, pastor Howard Brown led corporate prayers declaring the Puritans guilty of genocide
Receipts from the website of their new church plant, Kindred Hope