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Mar 19 33 tweets 10 min read
Happy Spring Break season from #DavesCarIDService! Long before Jello shots and wet t-shirt contests, Daytona (well, Ormand) Beach FL lured young thrill seekers with a deserted stretch of beach for racing- Like Joe Tracy & his 70hp Peerless in 1904.
These two 1903 Ormand speed demons are G. Graham (nearest) and the immortal Barney Oldfield in Winton Bullets #2 and #3. Henry Ford (driving his "Sweepstakes" car) famously beat Alex Winton in his Bullet #1 in 1901, which sparked Ford Motor Co; Oldfield later drove Ford's 999.
This "999" is not Ford's, but driven and built by another automotive pioneer: Walter Baker in his Baker Electric "Torpedo Kid." Built of wood & shellacked canvas, it was the fastest electric car in the world, hitting 100 mph on Ormand Beach in 1902.
Amazing how streamlined that car was in 1902, as advanced as 1920 era airplanes.

The beaches of Ormand & Daytona were the go-to sites for land speed records up to the late 1920s; taking a car to Bonneville at the time would've been like going to the Moon.
Anyhoo, a grateful hat tip for the pics to my ol' Chicagoland car buddy Milt J, who now resides in Ormand.

Now it's time to for you to recite the sacred Pledge of Car ID Request Quality and for me to get on with the identifyin':
I just love this photo- the rich Kodachrome, the Vivian Mayer-esque composition, and Grandma's swanky ensemble. The cars aren't bad either; red/black 2 tone is a 1956 Studebaker President, in front of it is a 55 Ford Fairlane Crown Vic.
Grandpa and his amigo are flexing next to a circa 1924 Marmon Model 34 Speedster touring. Flexworthy car too, pretty powerful and flashy at the time but not a top of the line Marmon. A Porsche Panamera in today's terms.
Daredeviltress Grandma was renowned on the carnival circuit for her thrilling watermelon truck stunts. The melon wagons here are both 1939-41 Chevys, and though blurry I think the plates are 1940 Florida.
Man, this was a tough challenge, but funnel-style smokestack & large rear hub seem to indicate circa 1907 Peerless 6 hp (no relation to the car co., made by Geiser Co. in Waynesboro PA). Maybe a photoshop good Samaritan can upgrade the image here.
Ahhh, much better, and I think confirms the Peerless ID. Thanky kindly Mr. Art Director BYU!
Just a brief timeout to thank you all for sharing your family photos and otherwise participating in this thing. At the risk of immodesty, I don't think anything on Twitter brings out the best in people like my little weekend car ID community.
Nosir, Mom is leaning on the back of a 1960 Chevy Bel Air, while Grandpop is leaning on the front of a 1967 Ford Galaxie.
Obviously a 1933 Portzmobile flatbed.

Just kidding! I can't fight this feeling anymore that it's a 1932-34 REO Speed Wagon.

Another of those county fair / carnival / arcade souvenir family photos inside a newfangled fancy car; not 100% sure but going by door shape & hinge location, I'm guessing a 1911ish Cadillac Model 30.
I wonder if this is how Georgia O'Keefe and Alfred Stieglitz made it to Santa Fe? I'm on the ID struggle bus with one on left (rimshot), but one on right is a circa 1933 Yellow Coach.
*not yellow in color, I mean made by the Yellow Coach company of Chicago, founded by rental car magnate JD Hertz. Hertz owned Yellow Cab Co, and even made his own taxis; the 1920s Chicago taxi cab war between Yellow and Checker rivaled Capone v Moran for violence & mayhem.
Lock your doors, the Lutherans are in town!

And who am I, Ralph Kramden? It must be Bus Curiosity season, and AFAIK the Lutherans arrived in Flxible Clippers or GMC PDX (slant windows), and GMC PD (vertical windows), all circa 1955.
Grandma is doing her best femme fatale Bonnie Parker imitation here in silk stocking & heels, next to a 1927-28 Chevy coupe.
I believe this was referred to as "the rhythm method."

And I believe car behind the fertile myrtles is a 1968-69 Ford Torino GT 2 door coupe (non-fastback roof option).
*I'm not a fan of people using my ID service as a stump-the-chump contest when the ID is already known. I just try to do my best and happily admit to being fallible. Sorry, no kewpie doll prizes if miss one.
I appreciate adding the hashtag, but a photo is often helpful in my identification process.
Speaking of the rhythm method, these Monks obviously weren't bound by a vow of chastity. I can't be 100% certain on this ID, but the bits of visible car (top bows, fenders, windshield frame) are consistent with circa 1921-22 Dodge Brothers touring.
Uncle Willard snuck his buddy Buck into the drive in theater in the trunk of a 1952 Buick Super. And yes, including the pic was super helpful.
Grandpa came home from the war to his 5 best ladies, and his 1937-38 Mopar (Dodge, Plymouth, DeSoto, or Chrysler Royal) sedan.
Now that's <chef's kiss> Italian!

Mr Pallazzo shares this dandy shot of his dapper folks (maybe prompted by my post of fellow PA Italiano Mario Andretti), and their date night car was a 1953 DeSoto.
*Not sure if the 53 DeSoto here is a Powermaster (6 banger flathead) or Firedome (Hemi V8), but Mr Pallazzo Sr. strikes me as a man who'd happily pay for the Hemi option.
Oh, wise guys, eh? Mssrs Howard, Fine, and Howard were apparently Oldsmobile men: Curly is the hood ornament on a 1935 Olds Deluxe, while to the left is a 1936 Olds Deluxe.
*that style of grille is known as a "fencer's mask" and IMO the 1935-36s were among Oldsmobile's finest looking cars. Starting in 1937 Old went on a weirder & uglier styling spree, and didn't really recover until after WW2.
Happy to oblige sir, car back yonder behind Grandma & Great Grandma is a 1946-48 Plymouth Deluxe.
I say the Fort Worth parks department employed a 1923 International Model S Speed Truck. I think they semi-swiped that name from their competitor, the REO Speed Wagon.
Dig Daddy-o's Superman/ Elvis- style Brylcreem forelock. The wedding car in question is a 1952-54 Ford Customline 2 dr sedan, would need a little more sharpness for specific year. Car behind it is a 56 Ford convertible.
Sorry the slow pace today, and afraid I'm going to have to call quits. Keep those great old family photos coming, and I'll be back on the case next Saturday.

Until then, Happy Motoring!
PS - remember to attach the #DavesCarIDService hashtag, otherwise I'll probably miss your request!

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