If I say "*all* have sinned & are being justified as a gift by God's grace" you'd know I'm clearly a universalist, but if I point out that Paul said this in Rom 3:23–24, then it's suddenly "underdetermined/ambiguous."🧵
If I say, "one man’s act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all" you'd know I'm clearly a universalist, but if I point out Paul said this in Rom 5:18, then it's suddenly "underdetermined/ambiguous."
If I say, "God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all," you'd know I'm clearly a universalist, but if I point out Paul said this in Rom 11:32, then it's suddenly "underdetermined/ambiguous."
If I say, "as all die in Adam, so all will be made alive in Christ," you'd know I'm clearly a universalist, but if I point out Paul said this in 1 Cor 15:22, then it's suddenly "underdetermined/ambiguous."
If I say, "I'm convinced that one has died for all; therefore all have died. And Jesus died for all" you'd know I'm clearly a universalist, but if I point out Paul said this in 2 Cor 5:14–15, then it's suddenly "underdetermined/ambiguous."
If I say, "in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them" you'd know I'm clearly a universalist, but if I point out Paul said this in 2 Cor 5:19, then it's suddenly "underdetermined/ambiguous."
If I say "at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, in heaven & on earth & under the earth, & every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord" & "if u confess w your mouth Jesus as Lord...u will be saved" you'd know I'm clearly a universalist,+
but if I point out Paul said this in Phil 2:10–11 & Rom 10:9, then it's suddenly "underdetermined/ambiguous."
If I say, "God was pleased to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, by making peace through the blood of his cross" you'd know I'm clearly a universalist, but if I point out "Paul" said this in Col 1:20, then it's suddenly "underdetermined/ambiguous."
If I say, "Christ is all, and in all" you'd know I'm clearly a universalist, but if I point out "Paul" said this in Col 3:11, then it's suddenly "underdetermined/ambiguous."
If I say, "desires everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" & "Christ Jesus, gave himself as a ransom for all" & "God is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe," you'd know I'm clearly a universalist, but if I point out "Paul" said this+
in 1 Tim 2:4, 6 & 4:10, then it's suddenly "underdetermined/ambiguous."
If I say, "the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all human beings," you'd know I'm clearly a universalist, but if I point out "Paul" said this in Titus 2:11, then it's suddenly "underdetermined/ambiguous."
And on and on. E.g., Col 1:27
And even with these non-Pauline texts:
1 John 2:2
John 1:5
John 3:17
John 12:32
Acts 3:21
Heb 2:9
1 Pet 3:19; 4:2–6
2 Pet 3:9, 15
Rev 5:13
Rev 15:4
One of the greatest miscommunications of all time would be that none of these folks meant what they wrote. How stupid of folks like Origen & Gregory of Nyssa to take these statements as "clear"? What morons!
Let's add some OT passages:
Lam 2:2 w 3:3:21–26, 31–33
Ps 103:8–10
Ps 30:5
Ezek 16:53–55
Ezek 37 (see QT)
Egypt & Assyria in Isaiah 19:19–25
Egypt, Babylon, Philistia, in Ps 87:4
Moab & Ammon in Zeph 2:9; 3:8–11 & Jer 48:1–47 (Moab) & 49:1–6 (Ammon)
Y'all know I'm a big fan of @bibleproject @timmackie & although "The City E7" & series r great, this episode (see QT) misses a significant point re Joseph.
🧵on y I think Joseph's famine response (Gn 41:33–56, 47:13–26) is an example of exactly what *not* to do per the Torah.1/
Whereas TBP says the Joseph story shows how "a city...can become a source of life under the leadership of a wise human image of God" Joseph creates the economic-land structure in Gen 47 God hates. Joseph is an example of unwise rule that brings *slavery* (Gn Gen 47:19, 25).2/
According to Gen, Joseph is responsible for creating the conditions necessary for his family’s enslavement (& the enslavement of the Egyptians themselves). Joseph didn’t simply go along w Egyptian societal structure. He created the very structure that God saves Israel from! 3/
Denny Burk's essay arguing for Eternal Conscious Torment in _Four Views on Hell_ is embarrassingly bad. I can't even believe it was published. I would have solicited another contributor. I would give it a D only bc the grammar is fine.
The only upside is that it might be a nec corollary to the untenable nature of ETC itself. Just letting people read it & then the responses from the other contributors is more than enough for readers to go: OK, ETC is obviously a load of crap. Let's consider the other views now.
I'm reading John Stackhouse's essay for Terminal Punishment (AKA Annihilationism/Condidtional Immortality) now & although I ultimately disagree, it's well argued & I agree w a lot it (I just see diff implications of what we agree on).
As a follow up to this 🧵& my other ones on Paul, the keen reader of Paul's letters will wonder about the judgment schema in Rom 2:5-11, which quite clearly expresses a principle of soteriological meritocracy (salvation on the basis of good works). Lets get into it below.
I conclude in my diss that this is the v schema Paul is directly opposing in Romans. This is the view of the person Paul addresses & corrects in Rom 2:1, 3, &17ff. *But even if u don't agree w that*, I want to show how Rom 2 is fundamentally incompatible w the rest of the letter.
So either Rom 2:5-11 represents the view of Paul's interlocutor, or Paul is fundamentally incoherent & contradictory in the same letter. Scholars like John Barclay & NT Wright center Rom 2, while scholars like Douglas Campbell, Chris Tilling, & myself center Rom 3ff.
Paul: A *pornos*, one who practices *porneia* (sexual immorality), “will not inherit the kingdom” (1 Cor 6:9–10; cf. Gal 5:19–21).
So that unrepentant Corinthian pornos is a goner (5:1)?
P: Well, his flesh will be destroyed, but he'll be "saved in the day [of judgment]" (5:5).
???
P: Well, he'll go thru the purifying & purgative flames of divine judgment (3:12–15; see “the Day” 3:13 w 5:5) just like anyone else: “If anyone’s works/deeds are burned up, they will suffer loss; but they themselves will be saved, but in this way: as through fire” (3:15).
So you're saying everyone is judged according to their deeds, but the outcome of this judgment ultimately results in salvation even if all their deeds r like wood, hay, & straw?
P: YES! The judgment is the final means God uses to purify us, making us fit for eschatological life.
Y'all, as I said "what God has joined together [worship/filled w the Spirit & social justice] let no revival separate."
💥Even John the Baptizer was suspicious of the popularity of his "revival" & pleaded for the "crowds" coming to "bear fruits worthy of repentance."~Lk 3:7–14
JBap's ministry teaches us that esp when something becomes a popular "movement" we need to make explicit that w/e we do the telos must be abt conforming ourselves/our communities to the justice of God, which is always abt exalting the material conditions of the poor & oppressed.
I pray & trust there r JBaps at Asbury holding each other accountable to the fruits God seeks from the people: personal & societal righteousness & justice (Isa 5:7). If u think any1 w this message is poo pooing the gathering *itself* then it's a little 2 "only a hit dog hollars."
Sorry to be biblicist & therefore a curmudgeon, but only time will tell if this Asbury "revival" is actually worthy of the name or if it is just futile navel gazing. If/when they start pleading the cause of the afflicted & needy w one voice, then I'll believe they "know" God.+
Getting caught up in a rapture of music & prayer can v well happen when communing w a demon. If this is truly reviving the community's communion w the Xian God, then an explosion of "social justice" is about to happen (!!). Jeremiah 9:24; 22:15–16; Matt 25:31–46. May it be so.
Since more r finding this, I’ll add Acts 2:41–47 & 4:31–35 for the #asburyrevival. The 1st 2 episodes of the Spirit filling the church lead immediately to meeting the material needs of others. This is instructive. What God has joined together let no “revival” separate.