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@LazarusLong13
May 26, 2024 • 28 tweets • 13 min read • Read on X
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⚠️ PFAs from 3M ⚠️

🤬N95, N100, PAPR.🤬

Just found this, so giving you a heads up. Source at end.

On a personal note, I know some of you have some of these, and I am both sorry and livid for you.

P100s have PFAs.
( I have a rack of these.)

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PAPR - Versaflo, Powerflow. Read for details.

/2 The 3M™ Versaflo™ TR-300+, TR-600, TR-800, and Powerflow™ PAPR motor blowers contain PFAS in certain blower housing components to help manage heat and seal the circuit board, as well as lubricate the motor. This motor blower is sold by itself, as well as in kits where it is paired with multiple breathing tube and headgear options. Some products utilize lithium batteries which may also contain PFAS. The 3M™ Versaflo™ Breathing Tubes BT-20S, BT-20L, BT-30, and BT-40 which are used in certain powered and supplied air system configurations to connect the headgear to the air source, use a...
JFC. 3Ms R, P, and HE filters.

@3M. P100, you greedy jerks?

@NIOSH_TWH @NIOSH - you realize we are going to FOIA you, right? I know you guys read my tweets, so let's get this fixed?

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3M’s 7800, 7800B, FF-400, and FF-800.

(I huffed PFAs with P100s, and dodged the bullet on this one so far, as I have the 6800.) In addition, 3M’s 7800, 7800B, FF-400, and FF-800 Full Facepiece Reusable Respirators contain a speaking diaphragm that is used to help provide easy communication for the wearer to those around them. This speaking diaphragm contains PFAS. The FF-400 and FF-800 respirators also have a coating that is applied to the facepieces’ polycarbonate lens to allow for improved paint and stain resistance for easier cleaning. This coating contains PFAS.
@3M - it's the science of poison, not fluorochemistries.

Did you come up with the PR campaign for @DuPont_News's Teflon, the Happy Pan, as well?

Greedy bastards.

pfas.3m.com/pfas_uses

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Source for all of this. I almost skipped this because I knew the firefighting gear was contaminated. But thought it was a little long for just one product.

multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/2303…
Back in 2021, Sean Lynch of @3M said that surgical respirators did NOT contain PFAs.

Which sounds like a lie as they are EXACTLY what would work good with PFAs to repel blood, etc

But he DID say that some models of their STANDARD N95s may contain some PFAs in the headbands. Image
So, at least the PFAs is not in the filtration? But it is concerning that only 3 years later, their PFA document does not mention N95 headbands.

Did they get rid of the PFAs so quickly? When they are not required to until 2025 (and only piecemeal).

eenews.net/articles/face-…
And, of course, this was in 2021 and 2023, long after 3M supposedly began to phase out PFAs in 2000.

Which was touched on in their testimony declaring minimal health effects.👀

I have been a fan of 3M products, and now am a tad shocked.
pfas.3m.com/3M-to-share-re…
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And the trust is gone.

Anyone have the ability to test Filtrete 1900 for PFAs? 👀 Image
Want to help light a fire under 3M?

Hit their chat up on Monday and ask about your favorite 3M respirator to see if it has PFAs in it.

See what doc they provide you. Let's compare notes

Live agent specialists’ chat
Monday – Friday
8:00 AM – 4:30 PM CST

3m.com/3M/en_US/compa…
And absolutely great point about all of the respirator companies.

Please reply back here what you hear, try to get some sort of formal document.

Also great point.

But my stance is that I want to avoid them as much as possible.

Just like Covid.

There was a study on the #corsirosenthalbox that showed reduction of PFAs through using the box.

Went back and reread it.


The box in question used Jim's TexAir filters.

Here is a link to his filters:
pubs.acs.org/doi/epdf/10.10…
texairfilters.com/filters-for-bo…
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Here is the article that covers the PFA study that will be easier to read for most.

To clarify- we don't know if 3M filters, Filtrete 1900, have PFAs or not. But are pushing to get them tested.

I personally have 8 of them where I am living, and I am not
brown.edu/news/2022-12-2…
tossing them until someone does test them.

If I need to replace a set before they are tested or @3M replies? I will be buying Jim's filters based on that study.
And here we go.

@marigoldglitter showing the way by hitting the PPE company annual report.

PFAs in the majority of @DraegerNews products. So, Dragger....got PFAs in your respirators? If so, where?



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Thank you @profahnhmc!

I've uploaded a copy to Google sheets. Anyone with this link can open it. NO write access granted.



Let's do an example - Aura. Pay attention, please, as I am not going to look up everyone's respirator.

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d…
Click on 3 dots (the hamburger).
Click Find and Replace.
Type in aura OR the respirator number. To the right in tiny writing it shows 1/1.
If more then 1/2, click on little arrow to jump to each one.

Sorry, folks, we can see the 9211+ Aura is right there.

Scroll to the right


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Columns D- F. Labels below.

Aura, 9211+ has "0.01 - 1%" as the "(#1) % PFAS Range"

F029-Flame retardant is the purpose.

Notice Column D?

That is "Date Product No Longer Contains Interntionally-Added PFAS (Reformulation/Discontinuation)".

The blank line means nothing
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scheduled. I am sorry.

Not done yet.

Scroll to the right to column K, and check for another vendor, which is the second vendor involved.

Q is 3rd.
W is 4th.
AC is 5th
AI is 6th
AO is 7th

I presume that if there are multiple vendors, they fill in from the left. Image
Let's check for the Aura 9205.

After clicking on the down button, no 9205 is on this list by either Aura or 9205.

Neither is the 9200, the 8511, the Vflex 9105.

One caveat - it appears that 3M is in the process of discovery. The language used is careful to say they may add


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more.

An script could be written to check on the most common respirators and alert if one is added. Just in case someone is feeling frisky.

Went to look for the 6000 series.
Tried 6000. Not clicking 2,070 times.

7000001934 is the MPN. It is NOT ON THE LIST.
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So, does this work consistently?

I check the Secure Click FF-802. Yes.

So, if you get too many results look for the "MPN" on web sites. 3M calls it the "SAP Product Code", column B.
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So NOT ON THE LIST
6800 elasto,
8511
9200
VFLEX 9105

ON THE LIST
Aura, 9211+

HF-800 secure click not on the list - but many of the filter cartridges are. ("Secure Click").
I WILL NOT BE LOOKING UP ANYBODY'S RESPIRATORS.

Please do not ask me. Please ask each other. Please help each other.

I have not eaten breakfast due to pounding on this, and it is 5 pm.

Waffles for dinner because why not.
@crwequine Just added to the thread how to check the 26K long list of products.
How the heck did @profahnhmc spot this?

Bravo!

(pfas.3m .com/ pfas_uses ) -shove those words together.


contains the sentence "To learn more about 3M products that use PFAS*, click here."

pfas.3m.com/pfas_uses


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Jul 27
AVERAGE CO2 in the dead space below an N95? 1-3% - or 10,000 to 30,000 ppm. Scary?

No. You see that's the average.

Humans have focused on average or peak exhalations/waveforms.

We haven't studied the LOW POINT with capnography.

We have done it with simulations. Image
There are no published experimental (human) capnography studies inside N95 dead space that show the CO₂ dropping down as low as ~0.4% within a single exhalation. Human trials typically measure peak or average values rather than full breath waveforms.
As you can see, the amount of CO2 in the N95 goes down.

Why? Because the air around us has so much less CO2. When we inhale, it mixes with that high CO2.

Dilution and diffusion both at play.
journals.plos.org/plosone/articl…Image
As all of us who has ever worn a mask/N95, which is most of the world, knows, we don't suffer the effects of inhaling 30,000 ppm all day.

Lets look at this a different way.

What if we were in a room with huge CO2? That's what antimaskers are implying is going on.
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How NOT to Science. A time travel thread and magic.

This is Helmut Traindl - the engineer who devised the procedure behind Walach CO2 study that was retracted after 16 days:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jamap…

Then, republished by Dr. Domingo just 6 months later.
sciencedirect.com/science/articl… Image
@RetractionWatch had an interesting write-up on how it was republished by Dr. Domingo.

It rings of plausible deniability. Except it smells vaguely of bad faith.

retractionwatch.com/2022/08/01/one…Image
Turns out that @TecnATox was founded, and is directed by Dr. Domingo.

You'll be hearing from me, Dr. Domingo - and a rather lot more people, once I get done writing all of this up.

You see, I found the pilot video.

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So, in your apartment or hotel, we saw below how its heated facade, or front, could drive your downstairs neighbor cough into your lungs.

Let's step inside your living room now, and step forward in time to winter.

What happens if your sick neighbor is seated in that living /1
room?

Where is the worst place for them to be seated if you have your heat coming from a heat register up on the wall?

Next to your cold window.

The cold air cools your sick neighbor's exhaled infectious air, and drives it to the ground.

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you and your family's bodies' thermal plumes pick up that air, and lifts it up to your faces to be breathed in.

Or....to put this in another way....if you go to a coffee shop as I like to do, and you see someone coughing next to a cold window? Do not dawdle.

Leave.
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I looked at your thread @moog77 . The reason that epidemiological didn't work (cases continued to go up)? Is the same reason the 2023 Cochrane fails, ironically, after you touted it as the "gold standard."

Not because clean air doesn't reduce cases. It empirically does. It
just doesn't do it where it's not being applied.

What do I mean?

2023 Cochrane "the gold standard" - for community masking is based on a few studies.

One is Alfelali (2020) set in the Haji season
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC75…
2 to 3 million religious pilgrims crammed into a few locations, sleeping 50 to hundreds in tent, head to toe.

Respiratory disease is typically 50% in total. Perhaps the single largest mass infection in history, year after year.

A few of them given surgical masks, and told
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Do you live in an apartment or stay in hotels?

Got a "oops, outside air can get you" study. Coming out of Beijing University of Technology - taking airborne transmission seriously.

They rented 50 rooms of a building. Did some very cool CFD work - then, be still my heart, Image
followed it up with tracer gas experimentation.

See room 303 above? 403 and 503 got whatever came out of 303.

With studies like these, there are so many variables. But, if I lived in an apartment, I would set have at least a PC fan CR Box next to those open windows.
Or an HRV set up in that window. And for sure a PC fan CR box next to the front door for under the door airflow.

x.com/VentiloAngel/s…

Not HRV, but equally valid
x.com/Engineer_Wong/…
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Swimming and showering.

Below is the thread of collected "swimming/ showering safer in indoor shared air" solutions, so far.

You might be thinking that the chlorine smell protects you near the pool. Chlorox is great.

But you would be thinking incorrectly.

Thread. Filti media wrapped out an inside brace made out of zip ties. Laugh all you want, but it works, yo.
Have there been indoor swimming pool transmission events? Yes.

jamanetwork.com/journals/jaman…

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34606662/

And more.

Were they in the swimming pool or in the more likely shower/ locker rooms or lobby? Nobody has teased that out.
You do not smell chlorine gas in the pool. If you were actually smelling real chlorine gas, you had better start running for the door.

You are smelling trichloramine - from sweat, urine, body oils when there is not enough free chlorine.

frontiersin.org/articles/10.33…“It is a common misconception that a strong chlorine odor is caused by too much chlorine in the water. The odor is actually caused by chloramines (combined chlorines) off-gassing from the pool water surface. Chloramines are formed in the pool water when there is insufficient free chlorine in the pool to address the nitrogen-containing compounds brought into the pool water by the swimmers. These nitrogen compounds are naturally occurring and contained in sweat, urine, body oils, and other proteins that get released into the pool water. If the introduction of these nitrogen compounds outpace...
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