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I over heard a @brexitparty_uk activist saying "it's all Remainer twaddle". I asked him what specifically. He said all of it. I said but what specifically. His response... "F**k off arse hole😡"
I over heard a @brexitparty_uk activist saying "it's all Remainer twaddle". I asked him what specifically. He said all of it. I said but what specifically. His response... "F**k off arse hole😡"
And this lovely fellow walked past, called me a "f**King traitor" and said "ill f**King drop you".
The people who say the EU would be CHOOSING to punish us if they put tariffs on UK goods, are the same people who say that we should leave on WTO rules (which legally force the EU to put its tariffs on UK products if there's no actual deal).
Remember this argument? "Do you really think they'd be stupid enough to put up tariffs, when they know how much they sell us".
Well most cars manufactured & fish caught in the UK are sold to the EU, so apparently we're "stupid enough" to force the EU to put tariffs on all of it.
Well most cars manufactured & fish caught in the UK are sold to the EU, so apparently we're "stupid enough" to force the EU to put tariffs on all of it.
For specifics, here you go. You've all heard about how the EU puts tariffs on goods coming from outside the EU, well the WTO, specifically GATT article 1, says the EU has to apply the same tariffs to us that that it applies to everyone else, if we don't have a deal.
48% of the UK voted to approve our current relationship with the EU. The government is trying to throw that relationship away in the name of the 52% who don't all approve of any of the alternative relationships on offer.
And yet somehow... some people think that's democratic?
And yet somehow... some people think that's democratic?
Any rational person looking at those facts would conclude that we're heading towards a relationship with the EU that has an approval rating lower than 48%.
Then what? After No-Deal Brexit we end up having to have another in-out referendum on whatever treaty Boris Johnson then negotiates?
And this whole thing turns into Groundhog-Decade?
OR maybe... before we massively change our relationship, we democratically evaluate the new one!
And this whole thing turns into Groundhog-Decade?
OR maybe... before we massively change our relationship, we democratically evaluate the new one!
The following are three COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS:
1️⃣ Knowing what you VOTED for.
2️⃣ Knowing what you HOPED for.
3️⃣ Knowing that what you voted for would deliver what you HOPED for.
1️⃣ Knowing what you VOTED for.
2️⃣ Knowing what you HOPED for.
3️⃣ Knowing that what you voted for would deliver what you HOPED for.
What Leavers VOTED for was to leave the EU.
What most of them HOPED for was more sovereignty and prosperity in the UK.
But we've just spent 3 years discovering that it's possible to leave the EU and end up less sovereign (deal) and to end up poorer by damaging trade (No-Deal).
What most of them HOPED for was more sovereignty and prosperity in the UK.
But we've just spent 3 years discovering that it's possible to leave the EU and end up less sovereign (deal) and to end up poorer by damaging trade (No-Deal).
Put it this way...
Other than having officially left the EU, What element of our new relationship with the EU was it even POSSIBLE to know with any certainty at all, when people voted in 2016?
Tariffs? No.
Security cooperation? No.
Fishing agreements? No.
Visa rights? No.
.....
Other than having officially left the EU, What element of our new relationship with the EU was it even POSSIBLE to know with any certainty at all, when people voted in 2016?
Tariffs? No.
Security cooperation? No.
Fishing agreements? No.
Visa rights? No.
.....
Jesus Christ!
"I know what I voted for"
and
"Nobody knows what's going to happen"
...Are two INCOMPATIBLE STATEMENTS!!!
"I know what I voted for"
and
"Nobody knows what's going to happen"
...Are two INCOMPATIBLE STATEMENTS!!!
To the lovely people saying that you don't need to know the direct consequences of something to know what you're voting for.... THEN WHY THE **** WOULD YOU VOTE FOR IT!!?!?
The fact so many Leave voters don't like the deal even though it takes us out of the EU proves it's not about the act of leaving the EU, but about the relationship that follows.
Well... THAT HADN'T EVEN BEEN NEGOTIATED YET, SO IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW WHAT YOU WERE VOTING FOR.
Well... THAT HADN'T EVEN BEEN NEGOTIATED YET, SO IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW WHAT YOU WERE VOTING FOR.
90% of the 3600 deaths during The Troubles were in Northern Ireland, which voted 56% remain.
So who SHOULD be the loudest voice screaming "We will NOT let Brexit threaten peace in Northern Ireland"?
The UK (incs Northern Ireland) Prime Minister or Irish Taoieseach Leo Varadkar?
So who SHOULD be the loudest voice screaming "We will NOT let Brexit threaten peace in Northern Ireland"?
The UK (incs Northern Ireland) Prime Minister or Irish Taoieseach Leo Varadkar?
@LeoVaradkar @BorisJohnson In other words...
How can it be that the Irish Taoiseach is fighting harder to protect peace and security on the territory of the United Kingdom than the Prime minister of the United Kingdom?
How can it be that the Irish Taoiseach is fighting harder to protect peace and security on the territory of the United Kingdom than the Prime minister of the United Kingdom?
@LeoVaradkar @BorisJohnson It's almost as if our Brexit politicians think their political games are more important than the welfare of British citizens... independent.co.uk/news/uk/politi…
The RIDICULOUS irony that some people who voted to leave the EU on a ballot paper that said nothing about *how*, dont accept the deal which takes us out of the EU, and they HAVE THE NERVE to say it's Remainers who don't accept the result of the referendum!
If you take advantage of a referendum so vague that "Leave" literally includes EVERY OTHER POSSIBLE relationship we could have with the EU, to claim YOUR version is what ALL Leave voters want...
To paraphrase a philosopher who recently had a rebirth: You get what you * deserve.
To paraphrase a philosopher who recently had a rebirth: You get what you * deserve.
It is the WORST kind of populism to divide the country into *those who want to keep what we have* and *those willing to risk it all for something new*...
And then to claim that all those who voted for something new want the SAME something new and all who question it are traitors.
And then to claim that all those who voted for something new want the SAME something new and all who question it are traitors.
On top of publishing the home address of the family of pro-EU Legal professional @JolyonMaugham, Julia Hartley-Brewer has some wonderful views on the NHS which #BBCqt viewers would love to hear.
#BoycottBBCQT
#BoycottBBCQT
@JolyonMaugham "But he put his own address in the article; she just tweeted it":
I used to publish my address in my CV. That CV & Jolyon's articles were pre-2016.
Neither he nor I had yet started getting death threats in a political domain where a life has already been taken.
#BoycottBBCQT
I used to publish my address in my CV. That CV & Jolyon's articles were pre-2016.
Neither he nor I had yet started getting death threats in a political domain where a life has already been taken.
#BoycottBBCQT
@JolyonMaugham So, with the following she has on twitter, to intentionally tweet out an article including that information, in a time when such information can literally be lethal... is despicable.
#BoycottBBCQT
#BoycottBBCQT
Ugghhh 🙄
To suggest that the clear xenophobia of that Leave EU tweet yesterday was nothing to do with anyone significant...
The current Communications Director of Leave EU is Andy Wigmore. He was put in that position while Brexit Party's Richard Tice & Farage were leading it!
To suggest that the clear xenophobia of that Leave EU tweet yesterday was nothing to do with anyone significant...
The current Communications Director of Leave EU is Andy Wigmore. He was put in that position while Brexit Party's Richard Tice & Farage were leading it!
Question ?
If someone set up a football team, picked all the players, the coach and the manager, then left the team and it went on to win the World Cup...
Wouldn't it be right to say they "founded a World Cup winning football team?"
Or would they sue you?
If someone set up a football team, picked all the players, the coach and the manager, then left the team and it went on to win the World Cup...
Wouldn't it be right to say they "founded a World Cup winning football team?"
Or would they sue you?
If you want to call it a coincidence that Brexit Party's Richard Tice & Farage led Leave EU & UKIP respectively and both organisations are now widely considered to be xenophobic, and that the Brexit Party was set up by Catherine Blaiklock who left it due to islamophobic tweets...
Ask those calling for an Election: WHY?
They'll either say so we can elect a Parliament to handle Brexit. In which case WE ALREADY VOTED. It rejected Deal & No-Deal.
Or they'll say something that can only be interpreted as giving PEOPLE the final say on Brexit. In which case...
They'll either say so we can elect a Parliament to handle Brexit. In which case WE ALREADY VOTED. It rejected Deal & No-Deal.
Or they'll say something that can only be interpreted as giving PEOPLE the final say on Brexit. In which case...
The sheer **** hypocrisy of wanting another vote on Parliament because it's not handling Brexit the way you wanted, but calling it undemocratic to give people a say on the outcome of 3 years of negotiations, knowing it looks NOTHING LIKE what was promised....
ESPECIALLY when one of the reasons Parliament isn't handling Brexit the way you hoped it would is because the majority voted for Parties who promised to keep the benefits of the Single Market... Meaning you literally want another vote because the last one didn't go your way!
As someone who is ... let's just say... a big fan of Heath Ledger's Joker ... I am SOOOOOOO EXCITEDD for today!!
#JokerMovie
#JokerMovie
OK #Joker loses one star for handholding the audience a little too much. Not everything needs to be explicitly explained.
Other than that...
Other than that...
Also, get ready for a year of people blaming #Jokermovie for societal violence..
Here is your response to anyone who says a vote to Remain in 2016 could have been a vote for an EU Army, loss of veto, the Euro or joining Schengen...
Any of those changes WOULD HAVE REQUIRED ANOTHER REFERENDUM!
eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/…
Any of those changes WOULD HAVE REQUIRED ANOTHER REFERENDUM!
eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/…
And for anyone looking to be 100% x 100% sure what "referendum condition" is...
legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2011/12/…
legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2011/12/…
So when Nigel Farage says that Remainers were voting for an EU army (that includes the UK) ... He's knows that's project fear... In short... to cite the great @SebDance... HE'S LYING TO YOU!
Holy hell. I just did some research, expecting to be proven right, but I didn't expect to be proven as right as you're about to see.
The European Union Act 2011... Read 'em and weep!
You see I expected to be proven right that GENERALLY any further transfer of power/ removal of vetoes would require a new referendum.
I did NOT know that the EU Act of 2011 SPECIFICALLY ruled out all of the things Brexiteers say Remainers voted for in 2016... EU Army, Euro etc...
I did NOT know that the EU Act of 2011 SPECIFICALLY ruled out all of the things Brexiteers say Remainers voted for in 2016... EU Army, Euro etc...
Brexit was 4 words in 2016: Leave the European Union.
It's now a 585-page treaty that most Leavers don't like.
But rather than admit they voted for something so vague it could be anything from Norway to No-Deal (WHICH IS HOW IT GOT A MAJORITY)...
They're saying it's not Brexit.
It's now a 585-page treaty that most Leavers don't like.
But rather than admit they voted for something so vague it could be anything from Norway to No-Deal (WHICH IS HOW IT GOT A MAJORITY)...
They're saying it's not Brexit.
Any MP thinking of voting for the withdrawal agreement Boris Johnson (probably won't) bring back should never have been allowed to pass GCSE maths.
If a significant segment of the 52% who voted for Brexit opposes it... THEN THE MAJORITY OPPOSES IT. Are you democratically stupid!
If a significant segment of the 52% who voted for Brexit opposes it... THEN THE MAJORITY OPPOSES IT. Are you democratically stupid!
Now you've realised that we're in this mess because none of you recognised early enough that it's mathematically impossible to please a 52% with wildly different expectations, maybe you'll pass the decision back to the people before the people come for your jobs with a vengeance.
Seriously, if Brexit actually happens and we end up in a relationship with the EU that has an approval rating lower than 48% (and given our track record for negotiations... what do you think!) I hope you all realise the lack of wisdom and moral conviction you've shown.
Fun Fact:
Boris Johnson himself is suggesting keeping Northern Ireland under the laws of the EU in the area of food. But the UK will no longer have a say over them.
That means Brexit is causing us to literally have LESS of a say over how bendy our bananas are in part of the UK.
Boris Johnson himself is suggesting keeping Northern Ireland under the laws of the EU in the area of food. But the UK will no longer have a say over them.
That means Brexit is causing us to literally have LESS of a say over how bendy our bananas are in part of the UK.
How did we get into this mess?
Because we had a vote on our relationship with the EU where treated it a binary question. In reality there are a million different possible relationships. But only 3 or 4 give us a say over the laws of the WHOLE of the UK without undermining Peace.
Because we had a vote on our relationship with the EU where treated it a binary question. In reality there are a million different possible relationships. But only 3 or 4 give us a say over the laws of the WHOLE of the UK without undermining Peace.
Tory MP recently said we can't have #VotesAt16 in the next referendum as it'd be unfair and would skew the result towards Remain.
You **** Joking?
1⃣ It can't be undemocratic to give more people a say
2⃣ Denying people a vote because of HOW they'll vote is INSANELY UNDEMOCRATIC!
You **** Joking?
1⃣ It can't be undemocratic to give more people a say
2⃣ Denying people a vote because of HOW they'll vote is INSANELY UNDEMOCRATIC!
The worst thing... He said this in front of a class of 16-18 year olds!
I was stood behind him when he said "because they'll all vote Remain", and the pupils all saw my reaction and laughed.
I basically threw my hands up in a shrug 🤷🏿♂️ as if to say:
I was stood behind him when he said "because they'll all vote Remain", and the pupils all saw my reaction and laughed.
I basically threw my hands up in a shrug 🤷🏿♂️ as if to say:
Just try and tell me this girl who was 16 at the time shouldn't have had a right to vote. I've met hundreds of adults in their 50s who are less politically aware than @GottgensJess was back then.
Congratulations Alex Deane (@ajcdeane) for making me and @ayeshahazarika absolutely sick.
I've heard a lot of "excuses" for sexual harassment in my day but this...
I've heard a lot of "excuses" for sexual harassment in my day but this...
@ajcdeane @ayeshahazarika I said I'd stay away from the scandals around Boris Johnson, as I think it's best to let these investigations run without any political point-scoring, perceived or otherwise, but I couldn't ignore this comment. I mean just flipping wow.
That "excuse" covers EVERYTHING!! FFS!!
That "excuse" covers EVERYTHING!! FFS!!
I'll just add this... There is a huge irony here:
In trying to create public uncertainty about whether Boris Johnson has a horrible attitude towards women, he created public certainty about his own attitude.
In trying to create public uncertainty about whether Boris Johnson has a horrible attitude towards women, he created public certainty about his own attitude.
"Remainer May is the reason Brexit isn't the romping success we expected".
Your argument rests on the idea that you voted for a concept so vague that it could be fundamentally changed depending on who happened to be in charge.
Your argument rests on the idea that you voted for a concept so vague that it could be fundamentally changed depending on who happened to be in charge.
There's a difference between a vote to make something illegal and a vote to scrap the NHS.
Something can illegal day 1. The NHS would need to be replaced with a new healthcare system. If people couldn't agree on the new system you wouldn't just burn down all hospitals. (No-Deal)
Something can illegal day 1. The NHS would need to be replaced with a new healthcare system. If people couldn't agree on the new system you wouldn't just burn down all hospitals. (No-Deal)
And yet a government minister told me yesterday that he wasn't willing to put the brakes on this thing because he couldn't come up with a credible Brexit option (that matches people's expectations from 2016) to put against Remain in a referendum.
#CPC19
#CPC19
Young Tory argued: because we're the EU's biggest export partner, we're in stronger position.
1⃣ The EU's our largest trade partner too.
2⃣ One's largest trade partner could still only be 6.5% of total exports (as we are for France & Germany, whereas the EU is 46% of ours)
#CPC19
1⃣ The EU's our largest trade partner too.
2⃣ One's largest trade partner could still only be 6.5% of total exports (as we are for France & Germany, whereas the EU is 46% of ours)
#CPC19
That means day one of a No-Deal Brexit, UK exporters see tariffs go up with 46% of their export market (plus the countries we have trade deals with via EU membership).
Which countries will they have lower export tariffs with on day one to make up for that?
NONE!!
DO THE MATHS!
Which countries will they have lower export tariffs with on day one to make up for that?
NONE!!
DO THE MATHS!
One actual good thing about Brexit is our diet might get better when half of the fish we catch, which would otherwise go to the EU 27 countries, is no longer profitable to sell there so we have to eat it all.
But we are talking about literally eating twice as much.
#FishIsHealthy
But we are talking about literally eating twice as much.
#FishIsHealthy
I'm sorry but I have to question your intelligence...
if after over 3 years of intense argument over the different versions of Brexit (INCLUDING BETWEEN LEAVE VOTERS) you think a 52% vote for Brexit in general guarantees the majority will want whatever version we end up with.
if after over 3 years of intense argument over the different versions of Brexit (INCLUDING BETWEEN LEAVE VOTERS) you think a 52% vote for Brexit in general guarantees the majority will want whatever version we end up with.
Now if you accept that it doesn't... That means you've come to the truly ground-breaking realisation that there's more than one alternative to membership of the EU. That perhaps international relations, a topic people do entire degrees on, isn't a yes/no subject!
And once you recognise that, you then have to recognise that "remain", "deal" and "no deal" are three fundamentally different relationships and that if you can't see that, it means you've been pathologically conditioned into seeing everything as just leave or remain.
Remainers should stay away from #JenniferArcuri.
A) If too much is thrown at Johnson by Remainers at once it looks like everyone's just ganging up on him. Prorogation broke the law. Let that breathe.
B) If he's declared innocent, then like Trump, it'll just make him stronger.
A) If too much is thrown at Johnson by Remainers at once it looks like everyone's just ganging up on him. Prorogation broke the law. Let that breathe.
B) If he's declared innocent, then like Trump, it'll just make him stronger.
Let the investigation run it's course. Leave it alone until it's concluded. Let's base our criticisms of Boris Johnson on WHAT WE'VE ALREADY PROVEN HE'S GUILTY OF.
Let's not build our house on the sand of an uninvestigated crime.
Let's not build our house on the sand of an uninvestigated crime.
Its*
Give me two tweets to disprove the following idea:
" The Brexit we negotiated was a betrayal of the will of people, whereas No-Deal Brexit IS the will of the people and the MPs blocking it are betraying them. "
Let's look at that for a second.
" The Brexit we negotiated was a betrayal of the will of people, whereas No-Deal Brexit IS the will of the people and the MPs blocking it are betraying them. "
Let's look at that for a second.
Did the 2016 referendum ballot paper specify TYPES of Brexit? No
Did the 2017 election manifestos? Yes
Did the majority vote for parties who promised to keep the benefits of the Single Market & Customs Union? Yes
So is no-deal or deal closer to the will of the people? The deal
Did the 2017 election manifestos? Yes
Did the majority vote for parties who promised to keep the benefits of the Single Market & Customs Union? Yes
So is no-deal or deal closer to the will of the people? The deal
I don't actually need a second tweet. I just want to wish everyone a lovely weekend. 😉😘
