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Trinh

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Sep 26, 2019 • 25 tweets • 18 min read • Read on X

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The double Ds - demographic & debt - & how that leads to the triple Ds - DEFLATION.

Ready?

#demographics World population growth rates are expected to slow, w/ contraction in many places (think Europe, East Asia - Japan, China, South Korea, etc).

We will grow at the slowest pace than anytime since 1950. Growth rate peaked in 1965-1970 👈🏻

#demographics Breaking this down into regions - very clear that Asian population peaking & will fall.

Look at Sub-Saharan Africa. Note that this is a projection & we shouldn't take anything beyond 2050 too seriously. The UN revises this very often but still useful for trends.

#demographics Let's look at contribution to population growth by country. Ready?

#1 India 🇮🇳
#2 Nigeria 🇳🇬
#3 Pakistan 🇵🇰
#4 Congo 🇨🇬
#5 Ethiopia 🇪🇹
#6 Tanzania 🇹🇿
#7 Indonesia 🇮🇩
#8 Egypt 🇪🇬
#10 USA 🇺🇸

#demographics Most populous country by rankings from 1999 to 2050 (2100 is a bit far away here). By 2050:

#1 India 🇮🇳
#2 China 🇨🇳
#3 Nigeria 🇳🇬
#4 USA 🇺🇸

China population expected to decline while US still increases. Indonesia drops out of fourth place 😱

#demographics Countries where population will DECLINE by at least 1% b/n 2019 & 2050. Ready?

>-20% decline is full of European countries
>-15% is Japan 🇯🇵 - Japanese people becoming rare
>-5% Russia, Taiwan, Thailand - also becoming rarer
>-2% China 🇨🇳 👈🏻

USA not there !

#demographics This is the mother of all charts b/c economists care about working age population to see if the change of labor will be helpful or a drag to growth. In East Asia, that will FALL SHARPLY.

In South Asia, that will RISE. A complete juxtaposition.

#demographics Once upon a time in 1990, the world was very youthful. Not too many >65-year old around (life expectancy lower). Only the UK & Nordic countries had >15% of population >65.

Today, everyone has aged & made fewer babies & so silvering. By 2050, on Africa is young 👇🏻🌍

#demographics We are not replacing ourselves fast enough in Asia (not South Asia however) & Europe. Why? Not having enough babies. Speaking of which, I was obsessed about Archie the royal baby last night - only 1 though, need 1 more to replace both parents.

Birth below 2 👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻

#demographics We are living longer (80s👵🏻🥳) & expected to live longer - so treat your body well as u have to see it for a while. Anyway, not good news if u work for a pension fund or social security office. Haha.

Oh wells. Long silvering stocks?🤷🏻‍♀️

#demographics People voting with their feet? Net international migration during 2010 to 2020.

Look at the USA 🇺🇸 - off the chart!!! A lot of net + migration (I moved to HK in 2011 so -1). Germany big too.

Who sees net outflows? India & China. Also Venezuela. Biggest is Syria!

#demographics This chart is just so heart-breaking for Russia & Italy & good for the USA & the Americas in general & Australia too!

Okay, so if u got net +inflows of people & net +natural increase (births>deaths) = HOT PINK (e.g., 🇺🇸🦘🇦🇺)

If deaths>births and net outflow = BLUE

@BIS_org

All about #demographics 👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻 - they got statistics too on urbanization etc. Free to download. Have fun!

population.un.org/wpp/Publicatio…

Okay, #debt - the fun stuff! This is the @BIS_org turf. The quarterly bulletin! @HyunSongShin - my fav economist 🤓

bis.org/publ/qtrpdf/r_…

@BIS_org

@BIS_org @HyunSongShin #debt We know that debt is not the issue b/c that is asset on the other side of the balance sheet.

But debt can be debilitating if income can't grow faster than the debt. Economists look at debt as a percentage share of income. At the macro level, % of GDP

Private debt % GDP👇🏻

@BIS_org

@BIS_org @HyunSongShin Let's step back & think about this for a second for those not in finance. Say your annual income = 100. But u don't want to stay at 100, u want to grow to say 200 in 10yrs & so u borrow $ & hopefully invest to upskill & not consume &that ur new skills gets u to say 200 salary. OK

@BIS_org

@BIS_org @HyunSongShin When u take on debt, u make 2 assumptions: a) the investment will payoff in making you more productive (rise in income); b) interest expense + payment sustainable.

So u have a problem if: a) income declines; b) interest expenses rise; c) debt too high & principal payment rise👈🏻

@BIS_org

@BIS_org @HyunSongShin Let's look at the situation & assume that all these economies make 100 per year. In the Euro area, private debt is ~160; Off the chart in Sweden at 240.

In EM Asia, China private sector debt is 210 for 100 income, Korea ~150, Malaysia >120, Thailand ~120

India & Indonesia low

@BIS_org

@BIS_org @HyunSongShin This is what we call the STOCK of private sector debt. When you have a lot of debt & the debt is greater than your current income, 2 other elements are important:

Time horizon to repay the debt & interest expense on the debt (how fast it compounds relative to ur income) 👈🏻👈🏻👈🏻

@BIS_org

@BIS_org @HyunSongShin If the term of debt is SHORT-TERM, u're in a pretty hurry to pay it back, which is basically a lot of China's private sector debt. So u're constantly needing to roll over this debt as it EXCEEDS income.

When this happens, if ur income growth is weakening, u'd want RATES TO FALL

@BIS_org

@BIS_org @HyunSongShin Ur risk appetite to take on debt's contingent upon expectation of higher return or paying this back won't destroy ur future well being (economists call this smoothing consumption as u're rational). If profits fall, rates sticky, expectations of future worse, have a flow issue too

@BIS_org

@BIS_org @HyunSongShin This goes back to @michaelxpettis tweet yesterday on it is not a supply but a demand issue in China. I think it is both. When a system is too leveraged, it only make sense to increase risk if the reward of that risk is big enough as debt payment burden high already.

Debt 👇🏻

@BIS_org

@BIS_org @HyunSongShin @michaelxpettis What's going on with growth? Globally, in places where demographic challenges are massive (Europe, Japan, Korea, China) & debt is high (same group), there is a growth problem. This is esp an issue if a country like the US is less willing than before to be consumer of last resort.

@BIS_org

@BIS_org @HyunSongShin @michaelxpettis So demographic (adverse transition) + debt (debt as a share of GDP>2 times) = Weaker growth.

But do not underestimate central banks' resolve to fight this pull. How? Lowering interest rates. Japan. Europe. Korea. and China too when it has space to do so once it sorts out protein

@BIS_org

@BIS_org @HyunSongShin @michaelxpettis In all scenarios of the World Bank's long-term projection, China growth will decelerate below 6% 👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻

@BIS_org

@BIS_org @HyunSongShin @michaelxpettis Today, the Bank of Korea raised its concern regarding the STOCK of debt Korea has & the deterioration of earnings (exports in double digits contraction) on the repayment ability, although says still OK so far. That said, Korean households debt/disposable income is 159%.

👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻

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Guys, let's do it. All things Trump tariffs. Here we go. First, let's talk about the basics. 10% is the floor as in everyone gets that. And these are the economies that get higher than that:
15% (EU, Japan, South Korea and 33 countries: Angola, Botswana, etc.)
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30% (Algeria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Libya, South Africa)
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40% (Laos, Myanmar)
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In Asia, it looks like this. Excluding China and Myanmar, Laos, India got the highest - 25% and maybe more.

China is waiting for talks on extension. Right now, it's 10% reciprocal + 20% fentanyl during extension + 25% during Trump 1.0

Southeast Asia gets 20% to 19% except Laos & Myanmar at 40%, Brunei is 25% but energy is exempt so...

India original was 26% so 25% seems bad but frankly not too far from the Southeast Asians. That being said, India was aiming closer to 15% as Vietnam got dropped from 46% to 20%.

Anyway, let's talk about details of the White House info.

It goes into effect 7th August. But if you got stuff in ports/front-loading and not yet consumed till 1 October, there are varied rates for them.

Long story short, there is still time to negotiate this down before it goes into effect basically.

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Trump tariff strikes India at 25% plus Russian oil import punishment. Is it a surprise? Not exactly. I have been thinking for a week what a US India deal look like. And to be honest, I think I saw this coming. I think India can negotiate down from this threat btw. It's not final. But how much lower and what are the costs?

Why is it not a surprise that India is not getting the deal that it is working hard on?

First, let's look at the EU and Japan - they got smacked with 15% tariff & got reprieve for auto (and other sectors) but auto is key at 15%.

So 15% is the best India can get. And it won't get it. Why? Well, it has to offer a lot to Trump to get that and it won't.

Remember that this is just a threat (similar to what Trump did with Japan before they settled on a lower number) and the threat I suppose can be real or not. Irrespective, he cares about it enough to post about it.

Trump has a few agendas that he wants India or Modi's help with.

Ending that Ukraine War is one. And India is not interested in that. It's an emerging country that buys where it can cheapest.

Russian oil is cheapest & so it buys from Russia & Trump wants to starve Russia of oil revenue. India doesn't want to not buy the cheapest oil possible. Besides, Russia is neither a foe nor a friend.

Maybe the West's foe but not India. So on this point, very hard. What are the costs to India? Well, it will have to pay more for its oil if it doesn't buy the cheapest oil.

Trump is adding to that costs - tariff.

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Jul 28

India imported 15,000 cars a year. Why? It has 110% tariff on autos. Now, trade negotiations are not going well and it's approaching the WTO on Trump's 25% auto tariff.

But the reason is simple. India exports more than it imports autos. Why? It has pretty high tariff on auto.

What would an India trade deal look like then? Is there going to be one?

What's interesting is that the UK and India signed a trade deal that is supposedly a huge game changer.

Let's take a look at it.

Under the agreement, tariffs on imports of internal combustion engine (ICE) cars will be slashed to 30-50% in the first year of implementation, but with the benefit limited to a quota of 20,000 cars.

The tariffs will be reduced gradually, and after 15 years, they will become 10 per cent, with the quota set at 15,000 units. For out-of-quota imports of ICE cars, the duties are reduced to 60-95 per cent in the first year, and further to 45-50 per cent from the tenth year onwards.

So on the surface, it looks like a big deal but the quotas are so tiny that it makes one wonder.

Of course, relative to annual import, quotas are HUGE as it is MORE than annual import.

But why do people care so much about US 25% auto tariff but don't care so much about India's 110% auto tariff?

Well, because the US imports 8m cars EVERY YEAR.

Look at the big deal that is the UK and India trade deal liberalization. There is a limit in quota.

The quota that the US sets for the UK is 100,000. So in other words, the US remains a big deal and one that needs to be negotiated with.

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Jul 16

Reading this article with great amusement with tons of comments that are so emotional & not backed by why. And they all seem so surprised on outcome. I have been saying this all along - the pass-through of tariffs are not as you think it will be. Why? Because you need to understand how they work & who has the negotiating power.

First, this statement here: "China’s retaliatory tariffs on American imports, the most sustained and significant of any country, have not had the same effect, with overall income from custom duties only 1.9 per cent higher in May 2025 than the year before."

ft.com/content/82e32f…

I mean, it seems to admire China's retaliation, as in it, that is the great thing to do.

Why didn't China collect more import duties even though it retaliated?

Well, because China is not GROWING its imports. It's exporting its deflation.

So its retaliation doesn't have as much "meat" so to speak. They need to sell more than they need to buy.

"But despite US tariffs hitting levels not seen since the 1930s, the timidity of the global response to Trump has forestalled a retaliatory spiral of the kind that decimated global trade between the first and second world wars."

They are so upset at the world for not retaliating. You can sense that in the usage. But remember, the US is a lot of countries' number 1 export market.

So you are not going to PISS off your #1 customer. It's just that simple. Why? Because a lot of countries just don't want to be powering their GROWTH via GROWING IMPORTS.

So what? Well, you then be captive to your "customer". You can always sell somewhere else.

Remember that India got like TONS OF TARIFFS. No one says much. They just say, well, they just tariff Indians & make it expensive for them to buy. Do they retaliate with the same tariff? No. They can, but why would you match someone's policies.

These are Trump's policies on US IMPORTS. You can also TAX your own imports. Btw, MANY COUNTRIES DO.

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Jul 9

Let's talk about India today. I'll be on @CNBCi at 11am HKT to discuss this particular issue.

First, we all know that India is amongst the least trade exposed and least exposed to the US amongst the big traders.

That being said, the US is the MOST lucrative export market and one it MUST grow if it wants to GROW OUTWARD AND UPWARD through trade.

Why? Look at China PPI today - it's is -3.6%YoY. Look at the Chinese yuan. It is not appreciating like crazy versus the USD. So what? China manufacturing is TOO competitive and will COMPETE with India so exporting to China is not a HIGH MARGIN BUSINESS.

That is the same for everyone who is a big trader. China is a competitor. So fierce that even the Chinese government is struggling w/ this onshore deflated PPI situation so you can see why foreign competitors are pissed off.

First, let's zoom in - India's export as a share of GDP is roughly 2.5% of GDP in 2024. As mentioned, 0.8% is exempted now (pharma, electronics etc). But EXEMPTIONS ARE TEMPORARY. Today, we got threats of 200% tariffs on pharma for example.

Anyway, 1.3% of GDP faces 10% tariff now that will go up to 26% by 1 August if not successfully negotiated down.

India is not too exposed by Trump auto and steel but still somewhat.

Let's look at top 15 exports to the US.

#1 PHARMA, currently exempted but faces sectoral tariffs of a lot.

Look at what India exports to China - ZERO. Zero pharma. 3bn to the EU and 9bn to the US.

So here, you can see that INDIA NEEDS A DEAL.

You can go through all the sectors. Note something. In phones, the EU is a bigger market than the US. Yes 8bn vs US 7bn.

But the EU is not a country but made up of 27 countries. So the US is the LARGEST market by a long shot.

Look at all the ZEROS for China for top items. Not a good market for India.

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Trinh

@Trinhnomics

Jul 8

Good morning,

As promised, here is a thread on Trump trade war and what Asian countries are going to do or shall I say who has more room to give Trump a deal than others.

@Trinhnomics interview at 17 mins.

First, let's start with one certainty: Trump tariffs are higher, and they are on sectors (50% steel, 25% alum, 25% auto & more under study), countries (China 20% fentanyl, Canada & Mexico 25% fentanyl w/ USMCA qualified products 0%, and of course 10% reciprocal tariffs on everyone w/ extension ending 1 August for everyone & China 9 August.

Okay, so what?

Okay, let me first discuss the below chart that summarizes the impact on Asia and why different economies will have different negotiating priorities with the Trump administration.

First, big picture. Exports to the US as a share of output (GDP) of respective countries.

Vietnam is the most exposed by a long shot to the US. And that explains why Vietnam was most motivated to climb down from that 46% level to 20% now (40% for transshipment - we discuss later).

Exports to the US was 30% of GDP in 2024. Yep, that high. Good news? more than 10% of GDP was already exempted as Vietnam's largest export was electronics, namely phones, and thus that was exempted.

The rest enjoy 10% until 1 August and then 20% tariff. On a sectoral level, Vietnam faces 50% on steel and 25% on auto but as a share of total, not a big deal, even if not good for those sectors.

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