The "herd immunity" fiasco in UK policy making still matters in an immediate sense, because those involved it are still at the heart of the government response. So needs to be talked about now. Stress I have nothing personal against anyone and will not mention individuals. 1/12
The scientists involved just did not succeed in wrapping their heads around how serious a pathogen COVID-19 is and how it could not be business as usual any more. This is natural normal human psychology. Its really hard to break this news to a government or a country. 2/12
The herd immunity policy that resulted is a kind of collective delusion. That it could not work is obvious simply based on the brute facts on the ground in Wuhan. Somehow, sophisticated mathematical models were nevertheless bent towards the conclusion it could. 3/12
The delusion only became obvious when the team tried to fit the same models to data from Bergamo and the issues were in multiple respects closer to home. However, recognizing a delusion is far from being a cure for it. You can still see its remnants in govt policy. 4/12
For example, there was a piece in the telegraph claiming that up to 23 million people in UK have already been infected. This seems way out of the plausible ballpark to me but it is still part of govt planning. telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/2… 5/12
Also Hancock recently was talking enthusiastically about doing a serosurvey. this would be fascinating and useful scientifically but developing enough capacity to detect currently infected individuals has to take priority and we are far from being there with that. 6/12
Another important aspect of this is communication to the public. I heard researchers from @LSHTM on channel 4 news saying that the scientific advice that it was OK to go to the Cheltenham Festival. This made me feel actually sick at the time. 7/12
To the extent that the same individuals are still giving scientific advice to the public, it undermines the effectiveness of the advice. Also, I feel that the advice given by govt still has a half-hearted tone to it. Messaging is really critical here. 8/12
Practical suggestions: Any scientist who has *ever* said that going to Cheltenham Festival was OK according to the science, or who has advocated a herd immunity policy to the govt should treat themselves as if they have been infected by a delusion. 9/12
Even if they think they have been cured, it may not be complete. They need to self isolate themselves intellectually and pause from taking part in the scientific discourse or advising the government. They should prepare mentally to reenter the debate in the aftermath. 10/12
Which they are absolutely entitled to do. But they got it wrong on a deadly serious matter. They need to pause and reflect before trying to give advice again. 11/12
Renudge the influencers I nudged in my original UK govt policy twitter thread.
I am a bit late to this party but this is what I have to say about "Great Barrington Declaration" about COVID strategy. gbdeclaration.org translated into 24 languages here.
Two of its three authors, Sunetra Gupta and Jay Bhattacharya have separately published estimates of immunity through infection that were (a) scientifically flawed and (b) considerably higher than the truth but were most adept at getting public attention for these wrong estimates.
While the declaration itself suggests a policy without any quantitative estimates backing it up, nor indeed any caveats about in what circumstances the strategy might or might not be the best one.
Trump's ongoing battle of words with Fauci is a modern version of Canute's contest of wills with the sea. The worrying thing is if there is a sense in which Trump can actually win it. Such a victory would carve out a zone where facts have no import whatsoever.
Fauci has as much scientific and for that matter moral authority behind him as is practically possible in today's world and is a savvy communicator. Furthermore, he almost literally stands up for facts.
There are maybe three senses in which Trump can chip away at him. The first is in the "Fox News" sense of ignoring the weight of evidence. "sometimes I say things are at least partially right, while on some occasions Fauci has said things which were at least partially wrong".
Thread. Will explain from first principles how China put itself in a good position to come out of lockdown, why it will be harder for the West and the broad principle it needs to adopt to make a smooth transition to normality feasible 1/15
The first principle is simple. You can come out of lockdown when (almost all of) the people who are infectious are separated from (almost all of) those who are susceptible, i.e. to those who have not been infected. 2/15
China started to return step by step to normal life about the same time I returned there from a trip from Europe, on February 19th. At this point there were about 350 cases in Shanghai, that were all in hospital or recovered. 3/15
when, in early february, I heard about the plan to put coronavirus patients with mild symptoms into sportshalls, I felt uncomfortable for several reasons. I wondered about whether such facilities would provide a high standard of care. Wouldnt people do better at home? 2/14
I worried about compulsion, I worried that it implied the situation was desperate. I was not the only one worried. The measure was only implemented after an extensive discussion on Chinese social media, with a large fraction of responses expressing support for the measure 3/14
OK, bugger the weekend off, here is another politely angry thread on UK policy and how it *still* does not have the right urgency to it. 1/15
The very recent Imperial paper predicted as few as 5700 deaths, with a peak of 260 in one day. There were around 260 deaths *yesterday* and the numbers are still growing by around 30% a day. 2/15
While the epidemic is still growing exponentially, there is no responsible way to predict a maximum number of deaths except to assume that everyone is going to get infected. That would imply on the order of a million deaths, given the finite supply of ventilators and medics. 3/15
Here is another way to understand how the scientists advising the UK government got their advice so wrong. All scientists are careful to say that COVID-19 is not like the flu, both because it is much deadlier and because noone has pre-existing immunity. 1/6
However the UK scientists basically tried to apply a flu-like model, emphasizing seasonality, immunity etc. Biologically, it is the most similar virus that kills many people. However, depending on circumstances, COVID-19 is approx 30 times more deadly than the flu, 2/6.
Ebola is approx 30 times more deadly than COVID-19. Unless civilization breaks down it will never directly kill many people. The reason is it is not very cryptic. As long as you pay attention and have equipment, you can stamp it out. 3/6