DS: we are now back in LA for the alleged knife incident. I am going to ask you yes or no questions just because of the timm
DS you described Ms Heard (AH) as “looking for a fight” and she says you lunged at her...
[DS takes him to AH’s witness statement]
DS she says I lunged at Johnny to stop him hitting my sister… JD grabbed me by the hair with one hand and then hit her repeatedly...
DS this was two weeks after you lost the tip of your finger in March 2015. What happened after that.
JD I went back to LA to have surgery - they put a pin in my finger and I ended up catching MRSA, which is quite a painful disease.
[JD is wearing a great suit…
[we are looking at a photo of JD’s cast on his finger]
DS what’s on the cast?
JD a little dinosaur
DS did you choose this?
DS okay, so this was put on your hand on the 18th - 5 days before this [alleged punching AH] incident
DS were you wearing that cast on the date of the incident?
DS okay let’s go to the next alleged incident during your honeymoon on the Orient Express?
DS was it just you?
JD we went with Macolm Connolly our security...
DS you were very violent according to AH on this trip. Did you buy up the whole train?
DS you had a cabin. Did you get familiar with the staff on this train?
JD yes we got to know them quite well. The railway staff were very accommodating
DS were you violent at all to AH on that train journey.
JD no. No. Not at all.
[Sasha Wass QC objects - this is not re-examination]
DS we go to next incident 15 Dec 2015 - the night before AH was due to be recording on the James Corden show.
DS you said during the argument...
JD: yes. it was the only way to restrain her.
DS here you set out what was alleged against you in AH’s document, shoving and grabbing… you say and then at the bottom - I was at the penthouse, but I was not violent towards AH in any way - in fact she was violent towards me...
DS were you violent towards her in any way
DS did you intend to headbutt her in any way at all
JD: no not at all
DS did you deliberately bash up her nos
JD: no sir
DS did you do...
JD no sir
DS what were the terms of the restraining order
JD couldn’t be within 150 feet
DS and there was a recording made during that meeting without your knowledge
JD: yes sir
DS right at teh bottom - you say to her - did I fucking goddam scream when your attorney was on the phone? Why were you speaking your solicitor?
DS I don’t need to ask that
[DS reads more of the transcript - a headbutting discussion]
DS it was suggested your description of the headbutting incident was untrue. Did you intentiionally...
JD no sir
[DS might now be going to the photographs of the alleged phone-throwing injury. Sasha Wass for NGN has interrupted]
DS you were taken to a particular photo of this and you said you hadn’t seen any injuries...
DS: do you think you would have seen them if she looked like this?
JD: yes I believe I would. certainly.
[we move to statement from AH’s nurse who became a friend of AH who took a call on 16 Dec 2015]
[AH says she had an argument, JD was inebriated..
DS that night AH was due to appear on James Corden show that night - 16 Dec
JD was it the 16th? Yes
Judge - just a minute - did you say the only reference in the RN notes was “used his...
DS yes and on the next day 17 Dec RN comes round. The RN waits at the door for several minutes. Client greets RN - looking dishevelled - and RN comfort her. RN notes AH has bright-red blood on her lip...
DS so the RN doesn’t see any bruises and she can’t find anything on the scalp to show any hair pulled out. Mr Depp in answer to your question to Ms Wass you...
JD she got very dry chapped lips and she would pick at the skind
DS and what would happen when she did this
JD just like anything she would bleed, when you pick the scab off.
JD no she was a competent professional nurse.
DS we were taken to exchanges between you and AH’s father - David Heard, but effectively he said I know about what went on. AH needs help with her temper and you need help with drugs and...
DS if your daughter’s husband had been slapped and dragged around and hit, would you still sent a text to your son-in-law telling him you loved him like a father
JD definitely not
DS thank you Mr Depp
DS I am terribly sorry Mr Depp - there are no cups in court so we don’t mind if you drink from the bottle
JD: [just about to put the bottle to his lips seems amused by this running commentary on his actions] Thank you! [he sips]
[we move on to the bad meeting before AH’s 30th birthday party]
DS what happened at that meeting.
JD Apaprently from making Pirates 2 and 3 I’d made $650m and when I fired [my accountants] for the right reasons...
DS and it was said you were under the influence of cannabis when you arrived at the party. was that true?
JD it was possible I smoked some cannabis in the...
[we go back to RN - Nurse Burrows - notes 21 April 2016]
DS she says she’s invited to the dinner party and AH would be going to Coachella the next day. RN turns up with client’s assistant Savannah - client was irritable and upset - angry with JD...
DS then you say that AH started an argument by saying that like in Hicksville you ruined everything for her friends. And she hit you.
DS asks what a haymaker
JD says it is wildly swinging - a sort of roundhouse punch which is effective if it connects
DS it’s not an English term
JD no it’s not
Judge - I’ve heard of it
DS I haven't
DS did Ms Heard deny hitting you?
JD: no she didn’t
DS did you deserve to be punched for reading a book
JD: no I was trying to withdraw from the situation
DS did that happen only once?
JD no sir I did that a lot
DS under xe you said you had not spoken to iO for a while. Why?
JD Mr T-W was an LBGT community activist and Mr T-W wanted to do an interview and photo Lily-Rose my daughter about this and he neither sought permission from me or her mother Vanessa...
DS and you weren’t happy about that and as a result you stopped speaking.
Judge asks about iO T-W’s preferred gender pronoun and Ms Wass says she thinks it is male and so Judge says we will continue to refer to him as Mr.
[we move on]
DS in which you say “I want her replaced on that WB film” and I think that was a few days after she had got a restraining order against you and told the world you were a wife beater
DS and you say “and people believe...
JD it was how I couldn’t believe that people would buy her story.
DS you explained to this court on Friday that in your 57 years you’ve never hit a woman and no one suggested it. I asked you about Kate Moss, Winona Ryder is coming to...
DS now Ms Wass suggested AH was different - a “strong, independent woman”. Was Ms Paradis submissive?
JD: No not at all.
DS would she fail to...
DS how long were you together?
JD: wow a long time it must have been something like 14 years yes 14 years.
[we move on]
DS do you remember AH says she took photos of her injuries in order to demonstrate what you’d...
JD yes and make recordings
DS yes and she said she never expected to be showing them as part of a court hearing. Did AH ever show you any of these photos?
DS there was one in Boston when I was preparing to go to the Bahamas to detox and I’d been working a 17 hr day...
DS did AH show you any photos of you supposedly having committed a violent act against her?
DS had you see these photographs of those supposed injuries before this court case Mr Depp
JD: no sir
DS: you say you now believe AH was putting together a dossier as a form of insurance
DS and Ms Wass suggested this was a bit of a stretch for AH to do this.
[we go to a transcript of a recording in July 2015. AH is talking. In the third statement]
DS she talks about eye-witness accounts, documentary evidence so either a) “I’d been in a secret fight club” or b) I’d been...
DS asks what his understanding of this scenario is
JD: an odd couple of scenarios - I didn’t know what a secret fight club was and the alternative was odd “almost like a reverse confession, if you will… and when she said that I was a little taken aback"
[now judge gets to tie up any loose ends of the cross and re-examination]
Judge: I see a series of texts that were exchanged between you and Nathan Holmes which I think were round about Feb/Mar 2015
J: where was AH - in Oz or elsewhere?
JD: I believe he was in Australia just to get the house set up
Judge because he was one of your assistants
JD yes my Lord
Judge and you got out there in Feb 2015 - so he came out with you or at around the same time.
[JD is tidying the box files as he waits for the judge’s next Q]
Judge: another q about the drug texts you were exchanging with NH.
[JD’s throat has gone and he is coughing]
JD: yes sir… yes my Lord.
Judge - that’s it for me. Mr Depp you;’ve given evidence over many days. Thank you. You may now step down from the witness box.
JD: thank you
[next witness is Mr Deuters]
[we have a break]
He is waring a dark suit, dark tie (quite loosely), white shirt with the top button of his shirt undone]
[He is from Amersham in England]
[He is being questioned by NGN’s QC Sasha Wass]
QC you’ve been working for JD for 16 years
QC: in various roles including personal assistant
QC and you’re now the European president of his production company
SD: yes I got promoted
QC: so you are completely financially dependent on JD
QC and in the past you have procured controlled drugs for JD
SD: no I did not I did not purchase
QC I’m not asking if you paid for them, I’m saying you helped...
SD on a very rare occurence - that didn’t happen by prevalence
Judge - so it didn’t happen often but on occasion it did?
SD very rare occasion. yep
QC now you know, I assume that this is against the law
[we go to a bundle - same as used by JD - three cardboard boxes of box files with multicoloured labels arraigned on a shelf to the right of the witness]
QC "must procure many many more from Joelle - "must be repackaged as vitamin gel caps and put on a fast horse”” those are texts referring to illegal drugs
SD no they are capsules..
[sorry - error not Joelle in previous tweet - it was Joel]
QC and he was keen on marijuana
SD not in the first 6 years I knew him
QC and he was also very keen on cocaine
SD I wouldn’t use the phrase “very keen” - occasional...
QC: occasional usage?
QC is taken to photo of two lines of white powder on a Holy Bible next to JD’s credit card. Can you see it is his card
SD no I can’t quite
QC takes him to metadata on photo to show it to him then moves to the next photo...
SD no not very common. on a rare occasion - it’s...
QC and you were involved in taking cocaine with JD and facilitating its supply.
QC despite the fact it’s against the law. As is supplying ecstasy.
SD I dont’ believe I did in LA
QC just cocaine
SD or cocaine
SD I don’t believe so no
QC I am going to say you did in Australia
SD I dont’ recall. I may have done, but not in Australia specifically
QC where then
SD the UK is probably the only time it’s happened specifically
QC okay we’ll come to that.
SD which date
QC 2014 - if I say Dr Kipper
QC and this wasn’t the first time
SD there was one other occasion
QC well several - 2011, 2013…
SD I only remember one other
QC well let’s stick to 2014
SD well I would take issue with that because for the first 8 years I never saw anything
QC so up to when?
QC Dr K says a lifelong history of abuse
SD well I can’t say before I met..
QC he drank
SD yes he drank, but I dont’ think that was the issue in 2014
QC he drank a lot though, didn’t he?
SD well no, not really
Judge well - did he get drunk?
SD no he didnt’, which was remarkable
Judge so he would drink a lot...
SD yes he had a strong constitution
QC and he liked red wine
QC from magnums
SD I never saw any magnums
QC just normal bottle of red wine that you saw.
QC now you’ve given us a witness statement which describes the incident on...
SD no he was low, very quiet and very introverted. I didn’t witness any opiate usage, but that would make you very low - I just remember him drawing or painting and being very quiet.
SD no I don’t think he was
QC because cocaine perks you up
QC and you say he was down. And I presume you want to tell the truth about this situation
"I'm gonna properly stop the booze thing, darling… "
QC so he was concerned about the drinking - then he goes on
“drank all night before I picked Amber up to fly to LA, this past Sunday...
QC now that’s a refernce to cocaine, isn’t it?
SD I would say so, yes
QC "Half a bottle of
Whiskey, “ we all know what that is
QC "a thousand red bull and vodkas” again very clear
QC “pills” - what are they?
SD I would guess prescribed medication
QC now all this doesn’t accord with your description does it
Judge so does it make you rethink your recollection
QC: "2 bottles of Champers on plane and what do
you get...??? An angry, aggro Injun in a fuckin' blackout, screaming obscenities and insulting any fuck who got near…”
Was there two bottles of champagne?
SD I don’t remember...
we had a chat about it afterwards and his recollection of it was a little unclear
QC what about the screaming?
SD I don’t remember that
QC you would if you heard it though, wouldn’t you?
[SD explains how it’s loud on a plane and...
QC did you see him being aggressive towards Amber
QC he was calling her a go-getter slut and whore
SD well if those words were being uttered I didn’t hear them
QC you winced when I said that word
SD well no I don’t recollect that. there was clearly talking going on between them - that was apparent. There was a lot of body language from...
QC why would he say he was screaming obscenities and insulting any fuck who came near?
SD dont’ know - he sometimes talks himself down
QC it wasn’t AH it was JD on this occasion and she moved seats several times to get away from him.
QC she stood up and she turned to the side and he kicked her in the side
QC did you see him kick her in the back
QC was there any contact between her back and his foot
SD I do recall yes
SD well yes it was quite a feat. You’re cemented into your chair in one of these seats and it would be quiet a manouevre and I recall a leg being slowly raised
QC and it made contact with her back. you said it in your WS it was...
QC it wasn’t - he kicked her violently in the back and you saw him do it
SD no - I didn’t see that
QC you saw him kick her
[SD agrees he saw JD’s foot make contact with AH but stands by his description of it as playful]
QC what state was he in
SD well he was quite low
SD no I went in there with him and sat with him for bit and he was talking fine, just quite sad.
[we go to some audio]
[It is the animal in pain audio recording]
QC can you hear the noise in background. this is Mr Depp moaning with the plane noise in the back ground
SD well there is a noise, yes
[QC doesn’t - we play the rest of the recording, there is a bit more agonised moaning and then there is the alleged plane noise, which goes on for some time]
[Last week I seem to...
QC did you follow that on the transcript?
SD it was hard
QC we can play it again
Judge - no we’re not going to do that
QC that was you saying “we have an...
SD I couldn’t hear
QC and you say “no I”m going to stay with this fucking idiot in case he’s sick”
SD no that’s not the kind of language I would use
QC do you agree the Boston plane incident on 24 May
DS my Lord if this is going to happen ...
DS it’s one thing to ask if he understand’s it’s a flight, but it’s another thing altogether to try to use this witness to establish the fact of the flight through the metadata.
Judge agrees. Tells Ms Wass to move on.
QC consistent with that of an aeroplane
QC is that JD’s voice
SD it sounds like him yes
QC did you hear some male speaking at the end
SD yes but I couldn’t decipher the words
SD I genuinely don’t recall, no
Judge - well QC can ask her question and if you object to it you can do so.
DS - yes but we know why this is being used and it’s a question of how much of this gets read out again before...
QC I want to ask you about this description as if to Mr Depp, but not sent to him:
"I watch yesterday as everyone around you picked you up off the floor, held you up...
[SD is asked about this]
QC now after the flight AH and JD went separate ways you stayed with JD. Now you sent AH a text and you’ve said “he’s up - he’s in...
QC so you’re still on the plane
QC what sort of pain might be in
SD at a guess, he’s potentially hungover or potentially I recall sometimes there’d...
QC you were on your way to his property in Hollywood and you text again “he’s been sick” “going to put him to bed” - is that just tummy ache?
QC “he’s overdone it”
Judge - do you mean drunk?
[we move on]
QC takes him to a texts in which SD talks about being teary, saying he’s a fuck up, wants...
SD says this is probably about his addiction to opiates, not cocaine or alcohol
SD: “our concern around that time was very specifically the opiates”
QC talks about indigestion, and dealing with Christy Depp - JD’s sister “he won’t be skipping it...
[SD is now talking in the text to AH about how bad JD says he feels and that Dr Kipper is going to get involved]
QC why does he feel bad
SD I am sure that he wanted to make the relationship work and was...
QC and you say he’s very apologetic - what would he have to apologise for?
SD probably broken promises with regard to sobriety etc
QC then AH replies “yet but I don’t know how to be around him after what he did yesterday”
SD probably assume
QC is that the “light tap” on the bottom - what you said was playful
SD I dont’ even know if it made contact
QC isn’t that the point then that you woudl say to AH “oh come on” and tell her it was just playful
[SD comes up with some new information that he and one other tried to intervene between AH and JD when this argument was going on on the plane.]
QC and she was so upset about this playful tap on the bottom
SD I really can’t speak to that. I didn’t hear the argument. I saw wha t I saw
QC having seen the way JD behaved do you think he had any reason to be appalled?
SD Maybe because he was so myopic
QC You next text to AH was “when I told him you...
SD I don’t recall
QC on the face of it - these texts are that he can’t remember what he did and that he did kick her
SD yes I see thay, but they aren’t what happened
QC so you put them together to placate her
SD yes I was asked to...
QC but when these texts were first made public you had a very different reaction, didn’t you?
[we go to a new file]
QC and this is an article about you saying texts were doctored
QC JD’s assistant SD tells TMZ that the texts of him apologising are heavily doctored and he never said...
QC that is you denying…
Judge - well hang on - did you say this…?
QC sorry who did you speak to
SD one of JD’s legal team
SD yes or someone in the legal team
QC did you call TMZ and say you’ve taken this out of...
SD to be honest it didn’t occur to me and I didn’t want anything to do with it
[we go back to 25 May 2014 after the flight]
AH to SD text “he’s done this many times before - Tokyo, London...
QC do you remember and incident in Tokyo?
QC the island?
SD I don’t remember
SD I didn’t see him treat her badly
QC so there is another side to JD
SD I think it’s just a turn of phrase
QC so anything to do with reference to violence or kicking was just a way of placating AH
SD yes, essentially, and that was after a conversation with JD to just mollify her
QC wouldn’t it be easier to tell the truth?
SD well sometimes it’s not best to give someone the truth of the situation
QC so you were both having...
SD well… yes.
[The room is a good temperature, which means it’ll be too hot after lunch. I’m going to ask them to put the aircon on over lunch to cool the room down. I wonder if I’m being a bit precious]
[I also realise...
See you after lunch. Tip jar is hear. Look kindly on me. It’s been hard going today…
Perhaps more usefully, I have uploaded Stephen Deuters witness statement to my website: nickwallis.com/depp-trial - scroll down and it’s the last pdf on the bottom right.
Judge has asked QC how much xed of SD there will be.
QC I’ve got about another hour
[there is a groan in the press room]
Judge could you make it a little less? How many other witnesses
DS on his feet - saying there...
Judge asks QC only to go for another 45 mins
QC says she’ll try
[QC takes him back to the detox on JD’s island]
QC now in the run up there was a thought JD might cancel or postpone the detox
SD it doesn’t sound...
QC or just wanted to keep partying before having to give it all up
SD I don’t know - I couldn’t assume
[profound thanks for the messages of support over the lunch break btw - I am attacking the afternoon with renewed vim]
SD I don’t know maybe it just related to the opiates
QC well he texted you asking for red wine and then he texts Rocky Pennington asking for red wine and mushroom - you know what sort...
SD I have no idea what these are
QC And he asks Rocky to ask you to get some mushrooms
SD that’s not the way it would work
QC what would you do if you got a text from Rocky asking you to source some mushrooms
QC no you would get your job, because part of your function in life is to get whatever JD wants
SD I didn’t get anyone any mushrooms
QC so we see a text from JD to SD saying AH is always accusing him of being wasted that “she is a cunt"
SD I said I didn’t recalls
QC you’d never use that sort of language about a woman, would you?
SD no never
QC is he unconscious through drink or drugs
SD he could be
QC and this is the day before he goes on detox. then a text from JD saying...
QC so there is no doubt that this is coming from him to you - there is no question of AH scolding him into this treatment
QC by 4 October 2014 Mr Depp had falled off the wagon...
[it’s the one about going to a Peruvian spot]
QC it’s signed Shatter - why’s that?
QC so why Shatter
SD he adored being derogatory about himself
QC Why Shatter - is it because he has quite a lavatorial sense of humour?
SD I think if I’d tried to do that he might have stopped me
QC yes I’m not suggesting it was anything other than a joke, like...
QC there’s a text from JD referencing a bag which Nathan Holmes is passing on - that’s reference to drugs
SD to me that’s most likely a reference to marijuana
QC see that?
QC then there’s a “woo-hoo” and NH says “pilltastic!”
QC now reading that do you think the bag of pills we spoke about related to ecstasy pills
SD reading that, yes
QC which had been asked for by JD
QC now at the time AH arrived was JD having a bit of aggro
SD not that I recall
[we go to a text dated 6 March 2015 - JD to SD]
[QC goes to to the “legacy” text where JD appears to be expressing dissatisfaction with the film he is working on and a number of previous roles]
QC was it Disney...
SD seems to be a more general
QC and you reply [she reads the text out where he lavishes praise on Johnny “you’re the reason I’m in this business and by fuck this business needs you”]
QC was that true then?
QC and is it still true
QC can you confirm there was an enormous amount of damage to that house - I’m talking about $100K
SD I didn’t know it came up to that number - but yes there was damage - I never saw it myself.
SD not when the damage was done
QC no one is saying you were
QC anyway you’re telling Christy, JD’s sister about what JD has been up to - calling LA and fighting with AH and that Kipper is now talking to JD hoping to get through to him that it’s got to ends….
QC do you accept you’re saying this isn’t the first time he’s tried to kick drugs
QC and he’s damaged property before hasn’t he?
SD I dont’ recall
SD I don’t remember when we found out he’d injured his finger and I remember saying not to assume anything...
QC yes and this would be a PR disaster - not the Disney image he wanted at that time to present
QC and you were very keen to ensure this didn’t come out publicly
SD well more that...
QC also it was obvious JD had no idea what had happened to his finger
SD well we started to find out once we go to hospital
QC but he at no point said AH had done it
SD no JD said it was her
SD no well it came out but much we knew before that
QC and if we look at a report on 12 March that says it was done quad biking. Completely untrue
QC a lie to cover up what had happened
SD I suppose so yes
SD I don’t recall
[we go to a letter from Dr K]
QC can you see half way through the page Dr K says he is withdrawing his care - can you now confirm Dr K withdrew his care
SD that’s what it says here
SD agrees this suggests everything is alright at work and everything is alright
[QC goes on to a later text from SD saying you passed out and we put you to bed]
QC so it looks like he’s fallen off the wagon again
[we go to a new text - judge says "Ms Wass. 5 more minutes.” -
SD Yes I did and I regret that.
SD no these were texts between friends
QC you then get a text from a person called Bugle where you were trying to get...
SD there was no pre-meditated plan as I recall
[QC takes him to another document]
[Judge intervenes “last one”]
[If this trial finishes a week on Friday as scheduled I’ll be amazed]
[QC has gone to a newspaper report...
SD but the two are not connected
QC that’s not true - you made a concerted effort to get this into the public domain
SD no not true
DS asks for yes or no answers to save a little time, but says please expand on anything he wishes to.
DS you said to QC that you didn’t see JD take any drugs for the first 8 years of working for him
DS so you started in 2004
SD and was...
DS who with
SD Vanessa Paradis
DS you said it changed in 2012
SD because of the relationship he was in at the time
DS with AH
DS was VP submissive
SD absolutely not
DS you were asked about the substances he took on the...
SD it would calm him
DS what about the Roxy’s
SD would slow him down
DS you also said it he was in pain
DS and QC was slightly dismissive of what she called a tummy ache
SD yes I think I said in a text...
DS do you think he suffered pain because of the drugs
SD well sometimes yes he would curl up in a foetal position
SD bring him up to a normal level - the level of a normal person…. hyper or manic were not two words I would use to describe his behaviour ever
DS do you know PB
SD we’re not close
DS you knew he was afriend of JD
DS what’s JD’s text style
SD humourous, colourful, full of exaggeration
DS and he puts himself down a lot
DS is he an immoddest person?
DS “I got drink and destroyed my room and there are hookers and animals in here” was he being serious
DS and you say “watch out for Mike Tyson” - who did you mean
SD Ms Heard.
DS he says “I’ve had to kill a few of the animals for sustenance...
DS you said extravagance and exaggeration - was there a lot of that in his communications?
SD well not all the time but occasionally.
[we go back to the plane incident]
DS you said in your evidence to QC
DS what was AH’s reaction when this happened?
SD it wasn’t positive - she said he had kicked me and making sure everyone on the plane knew it
DS mild, angry what?
SD moderate to angry
DS what did you and your colleagues do?
DS what did you think of her reaction
SD I thought it was over the top and yet I saw that JD wasn’t engaging and so I could see to some extent why she was angry
DS was this a normal pattern?
DS do you want to change your view of what happened from your witness statement at all
DS how did you feel about getting drawn into this
SD not great - I didn’t see it as my job
SD I’m often drawn in as an intermediary between people - friends and family especially - I try and act as a peacemaker
DS and in asking you to contact AH what was JD asking you to do
SD placate her...
DS help who
SD both of them really
DS what did you believe was the best way to achieve your role of placating…
SD I used her word
DS being “kicked”
DS do you think she would have been placated if you’d told her the truth about what was happening.
DS how would JD have felt if you’d handled this badly
SD he would not have been very happy.