I've been asked several times today to give my view on this so here it goes. First things first, there are links between Middle-earth and the history of Europe but not in any way this thread suggests. 1/13
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There is no such quotation in Tolkien's published works - unless the author of this thread or the article they cite have access to unpublished letters/manuscripts by Tolkien (and permission to quote from them):
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No he didn't. He found lots of "old books" in several languages in the Bodleian, but this is hardly "the basement of the school's library" (which school, I wonder? and which library?)
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(Sigh...) I can assure you there were (and are!) MANY Oxford dons and students who could read "ancient Scandinavian" (Old Icelandic, I presume?) - Tolkien was one of many.
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Nop. What he actually said:
"I imagine the gap [between the end of the Third Age + 'our Days'] to be about 6000 years: that is we are now at the end of the Fifth Age, if the Ages were of about the same length as S.[econd] A.[ge] and T.[hird] A.[ge]."
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"I imagine the gap [between the end of the Third Age + 'our Days'] to be about 6000 years: that is we are now at the end of the Fifth Age, if the Ages were of about the same length as S.[econd] A.[ge] and T.[hird] A.[ge]."
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Note the use of the word "imagine" in the quotation above (which comes from Letter #211). I'll come back to the 6000 years thing. Bear with me.
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What #Tolkien DID do is claim that The #Hobbit and The #LordoftheRings were not his own creative writing but his ‘translation’ of selections from a manuscript compilation in an ancient, forgotten language: The Red Book of Westmarch.
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This is a VERY old literary technique, the "found manuscript" topos, also used by Horace Walpole, H. Rider Haggard, H.G. Wells, Umberto Eco, and many others. The author says, I didn't make that up, I found that old book/manuscript and I am just editing/translating it, etc.
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What #Tolkien also DID say was:
"I am historically minded. Middle-earth is not an imaginary world… The theatre of my tale is this earth, the one in which we now live, but the historical period is imaginary..." (continued) - again NOTE: "imaginary"!
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"I am historically minded. Middle-earth is not an imaginary world… The theatre of my tale is this earth, the one in which we now live, but the historical period is imaginary..." (continued) - again NOTE: "imaginary"!
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(Continued) "...The essentials of that abiding place are all there (at any rate for inhabitants of N. W. Europe), so naturally it feels familiar, even if a little glorified by the enchantment of distance in time." (Letter #183)
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I've examined in detail in my book how Tolkien created a pastiche of ancient and medieval European cultures in Middle-earth of the Third Age that just didn't fit together chronologically - and he knew that well:
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Re: the 6000 years, this is what I have argued in my book (I don't think the number was accidental!):
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@David_Shearman here you go! 👆 And thanks to @LukeBShelton who first brought this to my attention!
