1/ Been following $BABA comments on FinTwit, not an expert but some observations and thoughts:
(1) Lots of ppl selling seemed to have bought the stock speculatively; assuming it'll go up and to the right (2) China experts I've spoken to think the 13% drop is a major overreaction
(3) IMO if your primary source of info is the WSJ that's probably a red flag. Owning $BABA probably requires either first hand research and a network of experts. If not, then your going to be out arbitraged based on information flow alone (let alone the follow on analysis)
(4) In general, ppl have a hard time pricing political / regulatory risk. Ie. I'd approach it as a 20% chance of a 30% decrease in future cash flows = 6% discount to current price. Unable to calculate the risk, ppl bifurcate it as 0% or 100%. The latter sold their shares
(5) Hopefully if you're buying or holding $BABA the China / CCP risk is baked into your target price. And, you have solid thesis on why market expectations are misaligned. For me personally, the news over the past few weeks hasn't isn't surprising and will be doubling up :)
(6) My current predictions is that CCP will slap several minor fines on to $BABA and a lot of their anti competitive tactics will be banned. There will be no expropriation or divestures. $BABA will continue to be a start-sponsored champion and be in bed with the CCP
PS. I generally think ppl generally overestimate risk in China and underestimate it in other markets (driven by the media). Below is an example of the risks for $SE but I'm not sure if most investors have spent a ton of time pricing this
1/ So I use to run a competitive intel team and spent a god awful amount of time sourcing data.
If you aren't familiar with Second Measure they effectively aggregate online sales data (ie credit cards) which they then sell to co's as market share data
2/ In the old offline world, retailers such as Walmart, Target, etc. would sell their sales data to someone like Nielsen. Nielsen packages this up with consulting services and resells it back to manufacturers (ie P&G, Colgate, etc.) or other co's such as investment firms
3/ This structure has not replicated itself in the online world. Amazon, DoorDash, Netflix, etc. aren't sharing their data with anyone.
1/ $DASH about to IPO for around $30B. On top of the profitability question, there's another one about the durability of that profitability (moats). Having launched 2 and 3 sided mktplces for Eats, I can tell you the latter was exponentially harder to build *and* manage.
2/ In food delivery, a 2 sided mktplace is a traditional aggregator. A sales team adds restos to the platform and marketing acquires users. Restos complete their own delivery, so the aggregator gets to skip all the messy parts and friction in the physical world.
3/ 2 sided food delivery different from ride hailing where it's viewed as an incremental earnings. If restos don't get any orders, that's OK because they're running their dine-in biz. This takes pressure off the aggregator, especially as they launch new markets and demand lags.
For a great summary checkout @juliey4’s substack. Instead, below is a thread on risks 👇
1/ Still Building its Moat - right now SEA’s entire strategic focus is on creating their flywheel which Free Fire (FF) is at the heart of. It generates the CF that is reinvested into Shopee and SeaMoney to drive growth and build their moats (free deliveries, R&D, etc.).
2/ Gaming Inconsistency - specific titles tend to ebb and flow as hits eventually lose their appeal to new games. Pre-covid, rev growth was expected to slow to <12%. Can Garena sustain FF’s growth, consistently create new hits, and renew it’s exclusive Tencent contract in 2023?