The 25th Amendment is a mind-boggling Constitutional back-and-forth. Here's how it works (and why it's inferior to impeachment right now).
THREAD:
1) If the VP and a majority of Cabinet officers ("principal officers of the executive departments") certify in writing to Congress that the President is "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office," the VP immediately assumes power as "Acting President." But wait:
2) The VP remains Acting President only UNTIL the President declares in writing to Congress "that no disability exists."
As soon as the President does that, he takes back his office and power. Trump presumably would do this right away.
3) Now, back over to the VP and Cabinet. If they do nothing, the President remains in power. Or, if the VP and Cabinet majority certify in writing once again that the President is indeed "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office," then things get really crazy.
4) At that point, we've effectively got a stalemate. VP and Cabinet say "President is incompetent," President says "no, I'm fine."
So now it goes to Congress.
5) If Congress votes by 2/3 majorities of *both* House and Senate that the President is unfit, then the VP remains in power.
If not -- if either House or Senate fails to get 2/3 votes -- then the President stays in power.
6) So you can see why the 25th Amendment is not an ideal vehicle for the current situation. Even if invoked, Trump would immediately certify that "no disability exists." Then, either (1) VP gives way or (2) it goes to Congress, where you need 2/3 of both houses.
7) Impeachment and removal get the trick done more effectively, and at a lower ultimate threshold (1/2 of House and 2/3 of Senate).
Plus, impeachment can lead to permanent disqualification from holding *future* office.
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Still lots of concern about what happens on January 6, given the recent conduct of President Trump and many in the House and Senate.
Bottom line: It'll be a ridiculous (maybe worse) political circus but legally it absolutely will not change the outcome of the election.
Thread:
1) Let's start with this VP business (Trump saying he hopes Pence "comes through," the Gohmert lawsuit). That's a big nothing. Under the Constitution, the VP's only role is to "open all the certificates" and, under federal law, to "read" them. It's entirely ceremonial. That's it.
2) Imagine if the VP actually did have the power to unilaterally reject votes. Any VP, in any year, could simply declare his own party the winner. Biden could have declared Hillary Clinton in Jan. 2017 over Trump; Cheney could have declared Romney in Jan. 2009 over Obama; etc.
I’m about to challenge my son in a special Christmas Day game of Madden on XBox. I was good at Madden ‘94 but haven’t played in decades. He’s 15 and plays all the time. I’m the KC Chiefs and he’s gonna be Jacksonville.
Post your predictions below. Prize to the closest guess.
My brother, a high school teacher, is having me guest-teach a class next week.
Gave me this idea: Teachers, DM me and (schedule permitting) I'll Zoom in to your class next week and speak about law, criminal justice, media, writing, etc.
A very small holiday thanks to teachers.
Thank you all for the overwhelming response. I am booked solid next week now. Will post updates from my virtual / living room tour of schools around the United States.
First stop on the 2020 Substitute Teacher Tour: Mr. Kamps and Mr. Chung’s classes, Hightstown, NJ. @TeacherKamps (full classes of smart, engaged students but I’m only showing the teachers here). Thanks for having me!
I'm still seeing a lot of concern about the Texas Supreme Court filing, which is understandable. From a certain angle, it looks imposing.
So here, in sum, is why there's no need for alarm (thread):
1) The case asks the Supreme Court to exercise "original jurisdiction," skipping lower courts. The Court rarely does this. The Court *can* exercise this jurisdiction in state v. state disputes, but doesn't have to.
It takes 5 justices to hear this case, rather than the usual 4.
2) Usually original jurisdiction applies to state v. state disputes over borders, etc. - for example when NJ and NY sued over control of Ellis Island (Jersey!).
The TX case is something else entirely and could have been heard in lower courts (many have rejected similar claims).
1) The Supreme Court in 2019 already rejected the Trump administration's effort to add a question to the census about a person's citizenship. The ruling was ultimately by a 5-4 vote, with all sorts of cross-ideological alliances (and disputes) on various parts of the ruling.
2) The census entails two steps: the Secretary of Commerce reports the numbers to the President, who then reports the numbers to Congress.
The census results are vital. They determine the number of Reps for each state, and apportionment of billions in federal funding.
Alright @sarahcpr -- a lot of people definitely feel your distress here. Some things to know:
1- While the Constitution gives state legislatures power on how to choose electors, every state has had a law since the 1800s requiring that electors be appointed based on popular vote.
2- State legislatures theoretically could change those laws, but not now, not retroactively for 2020 election. If they want to change the laws now for 2024, go for it (they'd need both state houses and governor's signature), and pay the consequences in their own next elections.
3- Even if this insane idea gains momentum, GOP legislators and those close to them already have said they won't go along with it in at least MI and PA