@BillyBostickson@TheSeeker268 Cites:
Cancer screening cohort Unexpected detect° of CoV2 AB in prepandemic period in Italy
Italy Cancer screening: archive.is/XOHvy
IGG or IGM+: Sept2019 14,2%, OCT2019 16,3%
First + Sept 03,2019 in Veneto
This one is good: COV2 widely commty spread in Italy Sept 2019.
7-Serologic testing of 9 US states blood donations-CDC Atlanta
13-16 Dec 2019 IG+ in North CA 2,4%, OR&WA 2,1%.
=20.397 C+/Million = already community spread
8-Evidence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA in an Oropharyngeal Swab Specimen, Milan, Italy, Early On November 21, 2019 the child had cough and rhinitis oropharyngeal swab specimen tested positive COV2
no travel history = already community spread archive.is/icceJ
mRNA vaccine-elicited antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 and circulating variants
Bieniasz 19 Jan 2021 biorxiv.org/content/10.110…
And then someone will think:
"what if GP41/GP120 allow COV2 to have the same latent behavior than HIV as latent proviruses in a tiny pop° of transcriptionally silent viruses that reside 1rly in memory CD4+ T cells in the peripheral blood &tissues."
@Ayjchan 1- Your argument, also developped by Trevor Bedford supposes for COV2 a Measles type epidemiologic & clinic: A touches B, B gets sick, B touches C, C gets sick, and so on R0, E0, D0, K etc...
@Ayjchan 2- It is clear that Influenza epidemiology & clinical manifestations do not follow this model.
The virus in 1918 cannot have spread in days from New York to Berlin, to provoke mortality peaks (all causes-no Serologic funny money) days apart in New York, London, Berlin & Paris.
@Ayjchan 3-Raoult regularly explains that there is still much incertitude on influenza Epi & Clin.
In "The Transmission of Epidemic Influenza - 1992", R. Edgar Hope-Simpson proposes a model.
To remind that Influenza spreadsdifferent than measles model.
2- Evidence of Select Agents and Toxins, especifically CoV's being collected and flown around and cultured and manipulated in CDC, UNC, Columbia, USAMRIID;
1968 Dugway Proving Ground And The Utah Sheep Kill Incident
2011 Dugway Proving Ground Goes On Lockdown Due To Missing Nerve gas
2015 Dugway Proving Ground And The “Anthrax Incident”
These GAO show that there are SOME serious people there, lots of info: