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24 Jan, 8 tweets, 2 min read
Let's talk about something else. I need to get ready for this, but I'm being lazy and burning daylight. Let's set some details again.
I want to continue the frontend discussion. Specifically I want to talk about "state management". It's phrase that gets used a lot. I think it's the source of a lot of complexity in frontend today. What's the right framing of a question around that?
Let's do 5pm Pacific time again. Nobody suggested big changes to the format, so I'm going to do it the same way and maybe we'll learn some more. I'm also open to a volunteer to do detailed note taking.
Okay. Another Sunday technical discussion on Clubhouse.

5:00pm Pacific / 8:00pm Eastern

Topic: Are modern state management practices in frontend helping us or creating more complexity?
We have a couple of rules for the participating in the discussion.

1. It’s okay talk a little shit about technology. It’s not okay to talk shit about the humans involved.

2. We will do our best to be explicit about the context and assumptions we’re bringing into the discussion.
Clubhouse joint starting in about a half hour. Unfortunately I failed to secure a co-moderator or a note taker on short notice. If we know each other even a little, and you’re interested, DM me.
I’m also going to attempt invites again. I can’t do anything scalable. It’s still pretty manual. But if you are willing to share your phone number, DM me and I’ll try to get you added.
I created a link this time! If you’re already on CH, you can find us here. joinclubhouse.com/event/Km2nb11m

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26 Jan
Did y'all know that a lot of white people don't have the cultural concept of "real talk"? You know where you stop saying the diplomatic thing and tell people what's really going on. They just don't have it. You try to have a moment of "real talk" and they freak the fuck out.
It's one of the things that makes it difficult for PoC, and Black people especially, to form real trust relationships with white people. Y'all don't know what's going on because no one tells you. And no one tells you because you can't actually handle the truth.
I've come to understand that white people have their own seemingly convoluted way that they decide what's going on and what to do about it. I have a really hard time navigating those rituals. I think a lot of us do. And it damages our ability to be successful in white spaces.
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25 Jan
This went pretty well. Thanks again to everyone who participated. Also huge thanks to @wwitzel3 who volunteered to take notes. I'm working with them to curate a bit, and then we'll share.

Let's do a quick debrief again.
Similarly to last time, we talked about for about an hour and 45 minutes before officially closing out the discussion. I didn't track how big the room got, but bigger than last time. Maybe 40+ people at the largest? Good crowd.
It felt a little tougher to moderate the room and rotate participants through. I think that's largely because I was doing it on my own this time. Some folks ended up waiting for quite a while before getting to share. I don't love that, and I think it's a common problem on CH.
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24 Jan
Are we gonna talk about how people also do this to their managers when they're about to quit? No? Okay nevermind then.
It's not ignoring anything. A power dynamic doesn't mean your manager is not a person. Nor does it mean they are unaffected by your unexpected departure. Just say you don't give a shit about managers. It's okay.
Y'all: I've had so many different managers. They keep leaving.

Also y'all: Fuck how my manager feels!
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18 Jan
I want to get something off my chest. I’ve been spending today doing house chores while listening to technical videos and podcasts. After my Clubhouse experiment yesterday, I’m thinking critically about how we expect developers to learn and grow. And... it’s a mess y’all.
The quality of information out there is all over the place. The time commitment of doing all of this watching/listening is significant. There is so much content that is seeking people’s attention. And there’s no good way to know if what you’re gonna get is any good.
I’m not about to hop out here and put anybody on blast. People put a lot of effort into creating content. (I know because I started looking into doing it and I’m way too lazy for all that). The problem is there is no good way for people to navigate this marketplace.
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18 Jan
So this turned out pretty great in my opinion. I wanna do it again. Thanks to everyone who participated and those who showed up to listen. Thank you to my brilliant co-moderator @betsythemuffin.

Let me do a quick debrief.
First let me apologize again to those who expressed interest but were not able to get into Clubhouse. What I learned is that they have intentionally made it quite difficult to bring more people onto the platform. To be fair, it is a closed beta. But this was pretty disappointing.
I think at the maximum we probably had 30 or so people in the room. Not huge. I think it was good that the room stayed small enough that there was plenty of space for anyone who wanted to talk. I can imagine that not being true as the audience grows.
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17 Jan
Does anybody want to have technical conversations on Clubhouse? Not podcast style. I mean real in-depth discussion about experiences building real things. There's not enough of that, and there's a real opportunity with the clubhouse format.
Sounds like there is interest in technical discussion. Here are some completely self-serving topics I wanna talk about.
- When is it time to abandon your ORM?
- Was the redux pattern a mistake?
- Kubernetes? But y tho?
That's how Clubhouse is set up. You join a room centered around a particular topic. Most people are in the "audience" to listen. The people on the "stage" can discuss. People can move back and forth between audience and stage.
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