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28 Jan, 4 tweets, 2 min read
Some more on @RCObsGyn

Compare and contrast.

This is their response to the Shrewsbury maternity scandal

(dated statements, named quotes, links to what they are talking about)

rcog.org.uk/en/news/statem…

rcog.org.uk/en/news/campai…

rcog.org.uk/en/news/action…
In general they put things out as news - e.g. response to new regulations and government decisions

rcog.org.uk/en/news/rcog-a…

rcog.org.uk/en/news/rcogfs…
They rarely post "position statements" - in the past three years they had only posted 2 that weren't joint statements agreed with other institutions

rcog.org.uk/en/news/campai…
So why put out this weird statement?

It is... odd.

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Maya Forstater Profile picture
28 Jan
Back in September 2018 I asked this question, which lead to a twitter discussion, which lead to me losing my job.

The Q wasn't about Bunce really but about whether, when you have a policy that is about empowering women, you change the definition to suit a man?
People who responded, smart people, usually robust economists said things like this.

I was surprised...but I could why they might fence sit, or SEK to be (apparently) inclusive, since the #manels question is fairly minor.

But when it really matters people might say no?..no?
Like when someone who has lived all their life as a man and has recently "become" a woman asks for a seat on a forum where women have a chance to talk to medics about how women are treated in pregnancy and childbirth.

You'd say no then right?

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Maya Forstater Profile picture
28 Jan
Can you imagine the drafting process of this weird statement?

"Let's put out a statement on the Tavistock v Bell appeal"

"But don't mention the case by name"

"What about children being prescribed puberty blockers and put on a path to sterilisation?"

"No don't mention that!"
"What about our tweet where we said we supported the intervention by Stonewall and the Good Law Project?"

"don't draw attention to that. Don't mention it. Just mention the other orgs"

"Um, the statement is a bit short now, and vague..."
"pad it out then, talk about other cases"

"Won't that look weird though? We haven't put out position statements on other cases?"

"You're right. Ok, just be vague there , and then add something else.... let's talk about our position on decriminalising abortion"
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Maya Forstater Profile picture
28 Jan
So 30 hours after its original tweet the Royal College of Obs and Gyn publish a statement 🤨

But they only tweet it as a reply, so not many people have seen it

I wonder which came first - was this policymaking by twitter?
This was the original tweet
But it is not what they say in their policy position.

The policy position just says the court of appeal should consider Gillick.

We can all agree with that.

The High Court considered Gillick. That is what the judgment was based on.
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Maya Forstater Profile picture
26 Jan
Why is the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists supporting this intervention @_KateLancaster ?
Why is it not mentioned on your news page?
Was it signed off by the RCOG Council according the the endorsement policy?
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Maya Forstater Profile picture
26 Jan
Who are the Endocrine Society who are applying with Gendered Intelligence, Stonewall & Brook to intervene in the Tavistock v Bell case?

One weird coincidence is that they share a building with my ex-employer CGD on L St in Washington DC...
It is just a weird coincidence. But these streets around K
St are lobbyist-central around the Capitol.

Organisations who pay for this real estate do it to be close to decision making of US government. Thats their focus

(* or the World Bank/IMF for international development).
The Endocrine Society is a "global community" but it is very US focused in its membership, meetings and advocacy

endocrine.org/advocacy/prior…
endocrine.org/advocacy/socie…
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21 Jan
Some WESC submissions that are worth a read....(my thread of bookmarks)

Judge Paula Grey is president of the Gender Recognition Panel

She doesn't make any recommendations, but she sets out how the process currently works

committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidenc…
Which chimes with my analysis of the GRP User Panel and statistics drive.google.com/file/d/1WU2ddI…

She is also co-author if the Equal Treatment Bench Book and writes about how the judges are trained by Gendered Intelligence
There is the government's own response

committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidenc…

On single sex spaces they say the law is clear that service providers are able to restrict access to spaces on the basis of biological sex where there is clear justification.
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