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Feb 6, 2021 20 tweets 9 min read Read on X
I’m trying hard to square this:

📍CDC this weekend: not really safe to have a #SuperBowl party with people outside your home.

📍Also CDC: it’s safe for teachers to teach kids/teens, in person, indoors, 5 days/week.

🤔...and let loud kids eat at lunch indoors unmasked? #COVID19 Image
2) To be clear — I am a firm believer kids need to go back to school. and as an epidemiologist, a staunch CDC advocation. But we need to call a spade a spade on this issue. Kids definitely do transmit. Here is the best collection of evidence in 🧵why it does from Dr @dgurdasani1.
3) This makes the clear case that school transmission of #COVID19 does occur, and increases when cases levels rise—which then further drives school transmission. It’s an analytical thread but it’s the Bottomline: Schools are not impervious to transmission. Can’t lie to ourselves.
4) Here is my earlier thread in transmission in kids. It starts by highlighting the key conclusions from UK 🇬🇧 govt’s expert group: words speak for themselves. See 🧵 below.
5) Look, I hate hate hate school closures just as much as anyone else with kids. I don’t share it for any agenda—other than stopping then pandemic so that we can return to normal lives sooner and send kids back to school **sooner**. #ZeroCovid is the way. Earlier study:
6) here is also data from CDC showing that counties with large colleges or universities with remote instruction experienced a 17.9% decrease in incidence of #COVID19, while those with in person had 56% increase in incidence. Again, it’s a CDC report by CDC authors.
7) I’m a firm believer in mask needed for any indoor space, but we also know mask rules + 6 feet alone are not silver bullets, especially in crowded rooms with poor ventilation. VENTILATION is key. Both ventilation and masks needed to reduce risk indoors
8) My stance is that we need school reopenings—but SAFE reopenings that address the highly contagious airborne transmission. Ventilate, upgrade air cleaning with HEPA filters per classroom, maybe install germicidal UV in the HVAC, or upper air UV toward ceiling—but most of all—
9) We need to strongly address indoor cafeteria lunchtime eating mess— it’s a disaster waiting to happen if kids eat together indoors unmasked at lunch. There has been ZERO valid arguments offering why that is safe. My stance: We need outdoor tent lunch eating.
10) we DEFINITELY need kids to mask if we reopen. Kids, even if less susceptible than adults, do transmit (@dgurdasani1 and I have entire long long 🧵s on this) and transmit more. So as an epidemiologist, I cannot endorse indoor cafeterias. Outdoor tents please.
11) Why can’t we construct / assemble more outdoor tents meantime? And yes, outdoor tents cost money, but they cannot be THAT much more to acquire—cities/states/federal govt should fund them. I think we can reopen schools if we have outdoor ventilated tents for lunch— I’m in.
12) Thus, going forward—We should demand to see real solutions in school reopening plans to address LUNCHROOM SAFETY. Kids obviously can’t mask while eating lunch, and we can’t do no-mask indoors. Either uber-ventilate/disinfect cafeterias or just MOVE LUNCHES OUTDOORS.
13) Another idea if we can only have indoor cafeterias, is to possibly use upper air UV (used in restaurants that circulates air to ceiling where UV lights are safely pointed). Upper air UV can achieve 15 air exchanges per hour says @ShellyMBoulder. That’s better than airplanes.
14) or alternatively bring pair of 2x huge air flow tubes connected to outside that ventilates the cafeteria at *high* speed. But this will need to ensure air ventilation is sufficient for a cafeteria depending on occupancy levels. We have to radically rethink indoor air safety.
15) We can do this if we try, and don’t ostrich our heads in the sand. We love our kids and we want them to goto school, so we can solve these school safety issues with existing technology. Don’t say we can’t—we have landed people on the Moon with 1969 tech. We can do this folks!
16) Government needs step up with funding for sufficient HEPA filters / air upgrades for every school... we can make schools safe. All the environmental engineering scientists say we can. The key thing is that we must now DO.
17) Also, Israel is seeing a sharp rise in the number of children and teens getting infected with coronavirus, according to 🇮🇱 Health Ministry.

“This is something we did not witness in previous waves of coronavirus,” Health Minister said. #COVID19

jpost.com/health-science…
18) This week in a village in Italy 🇮🇹... 140 #COVID19 infected out of 1400 residents... mostly kids. It was the #B117 variant.
19) Join me this coming Thursday for a special PBS @NewsHourExtra for a discussion on schools and COVID with teachers and school staff. Hosted by @saribethrose.

RSVP to participate: docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAI…
20) And.... now we see the effect of school reopenings in the U.K.

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More from @DrEricDing

May 2
Incredibly frustrating that the @USDA again failed to include basic information about H5N1 genetic sequences from cows. All data had dates and locations scrubbed out—only saying “USA” & “2024”, which is useless for scientists to analyze for mutation rates.
statnews.com/2024/05/02/bir…
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2) The fact that basic information — called metadata — isn’t being shared about the samples “hinders our efforts a lot,” said Gytis Dudas, a senior researcher in genomic epidemiology and metagenomics. Dudas is working with a group of U.S. and international researchers to try to make sense of what the genetic sequences say about the H5N1 outbreak in cows.
3) A number of scientists have openly questioned whether the USDA is deliberately withholding these data, or even removing more specific information. 🔥
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Apr 27
⚠️CDC WARNING FOR ALL VETERINARIANS, POULTRY, DAIRY & CATTLE FARMWORKERS, SLAUGHTERHOUSE WORKERS—New CDC guidelines now released to use PPE for high risk bird flu exposure occupations (all recommended):

📌N95 respirators
📌Goggles 🥽 or face shield 🛡️
📌Coveralls or fluid-resistant aprons
📌Head covering
📌Rubber boots with sealed seams
📌Gloves

Furthermore:
📍Designated areas for changing PPEs
📍Do not eat, drink, chew gum, chew tobacco, smoke, vape, or use the bathroom while wearing above PPE
📍Shower after work shift
📍(see full list for more details).

Glad the @CDCgov is taking this seriously. You should too. And please don’t drink raw milk 🥛! #AvianFlu #BirdFlu #H5N1
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Don’t do raw milk 🥛 please, for the love of god. I know there are many raw milk enthusiasts out there. But just take a pause until this is over? Don’t try to be a macho man about this.
3) try to drink either vegan milks like oat or soy or almond milk, or ultra pasteurized milk.
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Apr 27
Seriously. Raw milk drinkers… don’t do it. We scientists are pretty damn sure there will be some degree of active virus inside raw milk. Cats have been infected on farms—via likely raw milk. And all 6 cats with bird flu have died of rapid neurological declines, says CDC.
Raw milk drinkers… 1% of all milk being non pasteurized worries me. Too much virus to be potentially circulating.
3) I’m sticking with either vegan types of milk, or ultra pasteurized just to be safe.
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Apr 26
⚠️Bad signal—CDC confirming—“cats having neurologic symptoms, rapid decline, and death” from H5N1 #birdflu. 3 more cases in cats 🐈 on dairy farms… now 6 total. ➡️The prior 3 bird flu positive cats? All dead now. Likely more. This is mammalian adaptation.
bnonews.com/index.php/2024…
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2) I suspect cats are drinking milk from the dairy cows on the dairy farms. This is why we shouldn’t drink raw milk 🥛 currently. Even pasteurized milk, some scientists are unsure of because of lack of safety data. See thread 🧵 below.
3) Not just cats — certain dog breeds (like beagles are highly susceptible to H5N1 avian flu too. And such dogs can facilitate their adaptation towards humans eventually (since more dogs are around people than dairy cows).

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20580396/
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Apr 25
📍Let this sink in—a world leading virologist @RickABright who has studied H5N1 bird flu says he is pausing all his milk consumption until he sees proof from both FDA & USDA that pasteurized milk is safe to drink. Pausing milk because of his concern over lack of transparent data.
Why are scientists pausing milk intake? Because there still isn’t enough data on safety of pasteurized milk. There has been data on other viruses in the past that survive pasteurization. See detailed thread 🧵 below.
3) also avoid raw and undercooked eggs for now just to be safe…
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Apr 24
Testing conducted by the FDA on pasteurized commercially purchased milk has found genetic evidence of the H5N1 bird flu virus. ➡️But the testing, done by PCR cannot distinguish between live virus or fragments of viruses that could have been killed by the pasteurization process.

The FDA said it has been trying to see if it could grow virus from milk found to contain evidence of H5N1, which is the gold standard test to see if there is viable virus in a product. 📌The FDA *does NOT explicitly say FDA laboratories were unable to find live virus in the milk samples, but nevertheless it does state that its belief that commercial, pasteurized milk is safe to consume has not been altered by these findings.

(Sound familiar? Just like blanket assuming a virus “isn’t airborne”, “cannot transmit without symptoms”, “no human to human transmission” errors during COVID). That said, I will am hopeful that no live virus will be found in confirmation. But let’s be precautious.
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2) PPE and safety googles or face shield recommended for dairy farmers and anyone handling raw milk 🥛. Also they warn about poor fitting respirators for children (who may work near dairy— like I used to help on a dairy farm as a kid in rural Pa). Image
3) people working with cattle 🐄 should also “avoid eating drinking smoking chewing gum in contaminated areas or touching eyes.” And people exposed should wear PPE should be monitored for symptoms for 10 days. Image
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