people: heya so the bible has some really nasty stuff in it
Christians: it is a product of its time, you cannot judge it by modern standards
people: okay cool then let's stop treating the outdated parts, like the anti-gay stuff, as canon
Christians: IT IS TIMELESS TRUTH
Christians: it is a product of its time, you cannot judge it by modern standards
people: okay cool then let's stop treating the outdated parts, like the anti-gay stuff, as canon
Christians: IT IS TIMELESS TRUTH
Jews: it's 2021, we know Jesus exists, maybe stop evangelizing us
Christians: THE NEW TESTAMENT IS TIMELESS TRUTH, FOREVER APPLICABLE
Jews: "in Jesus there is neither Jew nor Gentile" doesn't sound so great after Auschwitz
Christians: YOU CANNOT JUDGE IT BY MODERN STANDARDS
Christians: THE NEW TESTAMENT IS TIMELESS TRUTH, FOREVER APPLICABLE
Jews: "in Jesus there is neither Jew nor Gentile" doesn't sound so great after Auschwitz
Christians: YOU CANNOT JUDGE IT BY MODERN STANDARDS
like, pick one
either this text is a product of its place and time and authors and context, and that means that maybe we admit some parts of it belong in the past
or it's perfect, eternal and timeless, in which case it's answerable to our ethics as well as those of its origin
either this text is a product of its place and time and authors and context, and that means that maybe we admit some parts of it belong in the past
or it's perfect, eternal and timeless, in which case it's answerable to our ethics as well as those of its origin
And yes, this is an issue for traditionalist Jews as well
the rest of us have the admittedly easy out of "this is important because it's a foundational cultural text, and just like any other cultural text, we can acknowledge both that it has relevant wisdom and outdated stuff"
the rest of us have the admittedly easy out of "this is important because it's a foundational cultural text, and just like any other cultural text, we can acknowledge both that it has relevant wisdom and outdated stuff"
whereas for the majority of Christians, it's a RELIGIOUS text and therefore has to fit religious standards of truth, not ancestral/cultural ones
but also, Jews in the US aren't trying to make it the law of the land
When you ARE trying to make something law, it's actually a central issue to answer what parts of a text are applicable versus not
And if your answer is "it's all applicable," then it better be able to stand up to modern ethical standards and you don't get to use the "it's a product of its time" dodge
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