FYI journalists reporting on the @WHO convened COVID-19 origins collaborative process of discovery.
@DrTedros said it is not a WHO study or investigation.
It is an independent study by predominantly non-WHO experts. ~Half of the team is unidentified. who.int/publications/m…
The WHO-convened team had to work with Chinese counterparts (half of the team) in a collaborative process; they did not have investigatory powers to look into COVID-19 origin hypotheses that their hosts did not want them looking into.
I'm bringing this up now because we have no idea when the interim report will be released. There's no deadline for it. No explanation for why it has been delayed.
It's possible that there's some disagreement among the team about more controversial origins #PopsicleOrigins
The first thing we heard from the WHO-convened team about the possibility of COVID-19 / SARS-CoV-2 originating from frozen foods was as follows (Feb 9, almost 3h long presser): who.int/publications/m…
This resulted in an unsurprising interpretation by Chinese media that "Global experts scrutinize Southeast Asia as their target in tracing origins of coronavirus" and "It's also likely that the virus was transmitted from frozen food, Peter Ben Embarek" globaltimes.cn/page/202102/12…
Although 9 days later, it was clarified by the WHO-convened team leader that they were only looking at within-China cold chain origins and not international / imported cold chain origins...
This #PopsicleOrigins saga resulted in a series of quotes from different members on the WHO-convened team reflecting a serious non-consensus on this topic.
(I hope they understand that future generations will look upon their signatures on the interim report.)
I think some of the team members understand.
“It’s very difficult to imagine a situation where all this [contaminated] food came to one market in China, and not the biggest one at that, from different countries and it all started from there,” Dedkov said. ft.com/content/deefc0…
Leendertz, German team member: “If you transport a virus fresh or frozen, the virus is not born from a piece of plastic. It’s about where the virus is from before that. Cold chain is never the source”
I'm not sure that even the Chinese experts/authorities believe in the #PopsicleOrigins hypothesis. According to the WHO-convened team, they didn't bother to track the supply chains to the Huanan seafood market.
Apparently, they just left it to the WHO-convened team to do after their visit to Wuhan more than a year post-outbreak.
Not urgent. Finding the source of a killer virus that can shut down your economy and life as we know it.
I don't understand what people are doing with frozen food packaging that a pandemic could've been imagined to originate this way. newscientist.com/article/226759…
Were they perchance making a Lady Gaga-esque dress from frozen meats?
There's not even circumstantial evidence pointing to #PopsicleOrigins None of the frozen meats at the Huanan market tested positive for the virus. There is no well-documented case of a frozen meat-acquired infection by a coronavirus. nature.com/articles/d4158…
I'd recommend the WHO-convened team to just let go of the #PopsicleOrigins hypothesis in the interim report.
If you're investigating supply chains or SE Asia (or even Europe🤕) as the origins, just say so. No need to say it transmitted via frozen meats.
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Starting to wonder how many virus samples are sitting in freezers waiting to be sequenced.
The newest pangolin CoV in GISAID (EPI_ISL_610156) was collected in Yunnan in 2017. Someone implied that this was proof of the 2019 Guangdong pangolin CoV, but it's quite different...
The Yunnan pangolin CoV sequence is full of gaps, missing front half of the Spike, no RBD to even compare with the SARS2-like RBD in the Guangdong pangolin CoV.
Not sure why anyone would think this Yunnan pangolin CoV is useful to verifying the history of the GD pangolin CoV.
Meanwhile, the Guangdong pangolin CoV authors who haven't provided any of the novel raw data mentioned in their May 2020 @PLOSPathogens paper just released more short sequence fragments for another paper? ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/popset?DbFrom=…
“scientists expressed surprise and even disbelief that the further investigations, into both the first patient's contact history and the supply chain to the Huanan market that the WHO sought, had apparently not already been performed by China.” cnn.com/2021/02/21/chi…
“specialist Daniel Lucey.. said it was “frankly implausible” that such testing had not been done. “My question is why would it not have been done? It was known to be necessary and it’s in China’s scientific.. public health.. national security interest”” scmp.com/news/china/sci…
This would be like if in Stranger Things, the protagonists all neglected to investigate the local National Laboratory while searching for the inter-dimensional gateway (source of spillover).
Am I getting this right? The @WHO convened team heard from an index case that there was a 2nd market but because the meeting ended, they didn’t get details or even the name of the market.
Also, before the WHO-convened team went to Wuhan, Chinese scientists had already tested 10,000s of animal samples including from around Wuhan city and Hubei province - all negative for SARS2. Can the team access the data in higher resolution? Which markets and farms were checked?
A timeline of when results were known would also be exceedingly helpful. The @WSJ reported on this in May 2020, eg OIE was informed on Jan 31, 2020 that no animals at the Huanan market tested positive for SARS2. wsj.com/articles/china…
Feb 9, we heard from WHO-convened team (which is 50% scientists in China, 50% international) they were going to stop looking into "extremely unlikely" lab origins & start investigating #PopsicleOrigins
One team member said this decision was to "respect" the Chinese counterparts.
Feb 22, one of WHO-convened team members says the COVID-19 virus could've come from Thailand, even naming one market.
DESPITE closest relatives to SARS-CoV-2 being from China
DESPITE the virus in Thailand not even using the same human receptor 🤯
Jan 2020 China said the virus likely came from wild animals sold at the Wuhan seafood market. May 2020 they said the market was just a later cluster, not the origin.
Since then, they've suggested that covid-19 was imported into China through cold chain.