Very little VAR-related action this weekend, so a brief thread (by recent standards) based largely upon:
- Burnley v Arsenal
- Brighton v Leicester
However, I've plenty of quotes out of the IFAB meetings from last Friday. I'll do some threads through the week on key topics.
- Burnley v Arsenal
- Brighton v Leicester
However, I've plenty of quotes out of the IFAB meetings from last Friday. I'll do some threads through the week on key topics.
First, possible penalty for Matej Vydra.
Why is this different to, say, David Luiz v Wolves?
Luiz deemed careless by impeding Willian Jose in his running action, but Vydra kicks Bukayo Saka in shooting.
Key: Both decisions made by the ref, so not clear and obvious errors?
Why is this different to, say, David Luiz v Wolves?
Luiz deemed careless by impeding Willian Jose in his running action, but Vydra kicks Bukayo Saka in shooting.
Key: Both decisions made by the ref, so not clear and obvious errors?
This is one aspect of VAR which fans find hardest to understand: that similar incidents can bring different outcomes based on the decision of the referee.
Incidents which will stay with the on-field decision whether the ref has given the decision or not.
Which plays into...
Incidents which will stay with the on-field decision whether the ref has given the decision or not.
Which plays into...
The Erik Pieters handball. Personally, I think this should be a penalty. But let's run through the rationale.
A penalty may not be given when:
- It is clear the player does not have the ability to react
As it was at point-blank range from foot to arm, the VAR decided no pen.
A penalty may not be given when:
- It is clear the player does not have the ability to react
As it was at point-blank range from foot to arm, the VAR decided no pen.
Pieters' arm doesn't really change position from the touch by Nicolas Pepe to the handball.
Therefore, it was decided there was no time to react and neither was there a deliberate movement.
BUT - I think the arm being in that position, creating a barrier, should be enough.
Therefore, it was decided there was no time to react and neither was there a deliberate movement.
BUT - I think the arm being in that position, creating a barrier, should be enough.
Why is it different to Ryan Bertrand vs. Wolves?
That was a shot (more likely to be penalised), and Bertrand raised his arm up into the path.
And remember: The REF gave the Bertrand handball.
I'd say this again: If the ref gave the Pieters handball it would not be overturned.
That was a shot (more likely to be penalised), and Bertrand raised his arm up into the path.
And remember: The REF gave the Bertrand handball.
I'd say this again: If the ref gave the Pieters handball it would not be overturned.
It seems that, going on recent examples, for handball to be given in the Premier League, the arm must be:
- Above the shoulder
- Or blocking a shot / cross without time to react with the arm up or away from the body
Anything close or with expected position isn't being given.
- Above the shoulder
- Or blocking a shot / cross without time to react with the arm up or away from the body
Anything close or with expected position isn't being given.
It has to be underlined that with subjective handball consistency is IMPOSSIBLE.
Referees will have differing views on each individual incident - just as many fans will.
And the streamlining of defensive handball for next season gives full subjectivity back to referees.
Referees will have differing views on each individual incident - just as many fans will.
And the streamlining of defensive handball for next season gives full subjectivity back to referees.
Also, another reminder that handball rows don't only exist in the Premier League.
This very similar handball by Wesley Hoedt of Lazio vs. Juventus was not given as a penalty by the referee or the VAR.
This very similar handball by Wesley Hoedt of Lazio vs. Juventus was not given as a penalty by the referee or the VAR.
Following the disallowed Fulham goal, let's share this gem from Denmark.
- Handball by Brondby defender
-- Handball by Copenhagen attacker
--- Goal scored
VAR: Goal disallowed. Defender's arm in natural position. Attacking handball.
Perfect storm.
- Handball by Brondby defender
-- Handball by Copenhagen attacker
--- Goal scored
VAR: Goal disallowed. Defender's arm in natural position. Attacking handball.
Perfect storm.
As we learned on Friday such goals will not be ruled out as of July 1.
Accidental handball that leads to a teammate scoring a goal, or having a goalscoring opportunity, will no longer be considered an offence.
These are happening globally, IFAB does not just react to the Prem.
Accidental handball that leads to a teammate scoring a goal, or having a goalscoring opportunity, will no longer be considered an offence.
These are happening globally, IFAB does not just react to the Prem.
Let's not forget that VAR did what people *really* want it to do, and corrected a true howler.
Ref Andre Marriner had to immediately show the red after DOGSO handball by Pieters.
But Pieters used his shoulder, not his arm, and VAR Kevin Friend fixed it: Both were overturned.
Ref Andre Marriner had to immediately show the red after DOGSO handball by Pieters.
But Pieters used his shoulder, not his arm, and VAR Kevin Friend fixed it: Both were overturned.
Possible Leicester penalty for Lewis Dunk's challenge on Jamie Vardy.
This is very similar to the VAR review for a Fulham penalty vs. Liverpool - that the referee rejected at the monitor.
An incident that is probably a penalty, but a lack of irrefutable evidence to overturn.
This is very similar to the VAR review for a Fulham penalty vs. Liverpool - that the referee rejected at the monitor.
An incident that is probably a penalty, but a lack of irrefutable evidence to overturn.
Very difficult for the VAR, Stuart Attwell, to be certain that Lewis Dunk didn't get a toe to the ball (Michael Oliver gave a corner).
Some angles look a pen, others look a corner. It's difficult for the VAR to overrule.
Again: A decision where the field decision stands.
Some angles look a pen, others look a corner. It's difficult for the VAR to overrule.
Again: A decision where the field decision stands.
More to come in the week, including a thread on AI semi-automated offside.
It's a little way off yet, but it will go a LONG way to fixing a key VAR issue: largely removing the fear of a goal being disallowed, affecting celebrations.
If only it were coming in next season....
It's a little way off yet, but it will go a LONG way to fixing a key VAR issue: largely removing the fear of a goal being disallowed, affecting celebrations.
If only it were coming in next season....
Two quick ones!
- There is a dotted vertical line in the Spurs onside decision (4th goal) because the ball is in the air and has to be plotted to the pitch
- Stuart Armstrong is played onside by the heel of the defender for Che Adams' goal.
- There is a dotted vertical line in the Spurs onside decision (4th goal) because the ball is in the air and has to be plotted to the pitch
- Stuart Armstrong is played onside by the heel of the defender for Che Adams' goal.
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